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All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:41 pm
by Orinayano
Hi,
My wife is the visa holder. She completes 5 years on 28th November 2023. I have few questions that I'm confused about. I searched through the forum but could not find information matching exact scenario.
1. Our daughter was born in the UK in 2021. My understanding is that she does not need an ILR as she has Entitlement to registration as a British citizen via Section 1(3) - as soon as my wife's ILR is granted. Is this correct?
2. My 5 years completes on 27th December (1 month after my wife's). Therefore I cannot apply along with my wife right now. She is concerned that the letter she got from her employer to support the ILR application may be considered too old if we apply together in December. Is there an official guidance on how old this letter can be?
3. I initially entered the UK in 2015 on a Tier-2 ICT visa and switched to PBS dependent in 2018. I understand that dependents need to submit ECCTIS certificate on English Language Proficiency. Is this still mandatory if I had originally arrived in the UK on a work permit myself. I'm trying to avoid this as getting this could potentially need a visit to India.
Thanks in advance!
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:55 pm
by meself2
Orinayano wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:41 pm
My wife is the visa holder.
What visa does she hold?
Orinayano wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:41 pm
1. Our daughter was born in the UK in 2021. My understanding is that she does not need an ILR as she has Entitlement to registration as a British citizen via Section 1(3) - as soon as my wife's ILR is granted. Is this correct?
Yes.
Orinayano wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:41 pm
2. My 5 years completes on 27th December (1 month after my wife's). Therefore I cannot apply along with my wife right now. She is concerned that the letter she got from her employer to support the ILR application may be considered too old if we apply together in December. Is there an official guidance on how old this letter can be?
Why do you, a dependent, need a letter? You don't have to apply together. Just wait until you qualify.
Orinayano wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:41 pm
3. I initially entered the UK in 2015 on a Tier-2 ICT visa and switched to PBS dependent in 2018. I understand that dependents need to submit ECCTIS certificate on English Language Proficiency. Is this still mandatory if I had originally arrived in the UK on a work permit myself. I'm trying to avoid this as getting this could potentially need a visit to India.
Did you prove your knowledge of English before? Did you do an English test on a level B1 or higher?
If not, you can do a B1 test in the UK.
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:05 pm
by Orinayano
Hi,
I'm on the ECCTIS website to apply for my English language certificate. I'm not sure which option to select here. I'm the depependent and my partner has Tier 2 Skilled Worker visa. We're both applying for ILR now. Is it "Skilled Worker" or "Family, ILR and Citizenship"
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:12 pm
by Orinayano
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:48 pm
by zimba
You need to apply under Visas and Nationality service (English proficiency) from Ecctis and choose ILR.
https://ecctis.com/Qualifications/VAN/Default.aspx
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:17 pm
by Orinayano
Thanks! Few more questions:
1. My partner has already applied for her ILR. Do I need to wait for her decision before I apply mine?
2. If I dont have to wait for her decision, do I need any info from her application? like a reference number or do I need to reuse her employer letter confirming she's required at job for the foreseeable future. Or a cover letter of some sort?
3. When applying separately do I need to use SET(O) or SET(M)? Saw conflicting posts on this. Clarification is appreciated.
4. Coincidentally, my passport has expired recently and still havent received the new one. Can I apply for ECCTIS English Proficiency certificate with the expired passport?
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:38 am
by zimba
1. Yes, you need to wait as she has already applied. You can apply only if she gets ILR. What is your visa expiry?
2. You do not need any of those. Your application will be a separate application. Dependants have separate requirements to satisfy for ILR under the rules
3. SET(O). You are NOT a visa holder under the family route, so you must NOT use SET(M)
4. I am not sure what they ask for that application. You can instead sit a SELT test rather than going through the whole ECCTIS thing
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:41 am
by Orinayano
zimba wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:38 am
4. I am not sure what they ask for that application. You can instead sit a SELT test rather than going through the whole ECCTIS thing
Unable to find time for a test with multiple things going on. Both cost about the same. Spoke to them earlier & they suggested me to apply with what I have now & if it isn't sufficient I can upload my new passport after I get one. I need to wait for the passport anyway for the ILR application - it doesn't seem to take an expiry date that's in the past.
Thanks for your clarifications on the other ones!
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:04 pm
by Orinayano
New question, sorry.
in my SET(O) application, its asking for various reference numbers of my partner. I'm assuming not all the reference numbers are mandatory. So,
Passport - Given
NI number - Given
Home Office reference number - Not sure what this is. She has a UAN number for her ILR application. I can give this or just ignore this field?
BRP - Can give current BRP number? or ignore the field?
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:20 pm
by zimba
UKVI does not operate blind. They know who you depend on which is recorded on their systems. There is no need to provide any home office reference number
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:48 am
by Orinayano
Hi All,
I'm at this question on my application:
What will you use to prove your degree taught in English?
The available options are 1) Degree certificate 2) Official transcript or letter (from college)
I chose option 1 but no where does it ask for the ECCTIS letter. Is that right? Do we just add Degree & ECCTIS letter to the documents?
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:48 pm
by zimba
Yes you choose the degree and upload the relevant docs
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:23 pm
by Orinayano
zimba wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:48 pm
Yes you choose the degree and upload the relevant docs
Thanks @Zimba!
I finished the application now & while uploading the documents, its asking to upload consent from my partner. Assuming this is the same as what I downloaded earlier. Does she need to sign part 2 or part 3? Both dont feel entirely right. Note that she already got her ILR & I'm applying separately.
Part 2: She is not a joint name on any of the evidence I'm submitting.
Part 3: She is not 3rd party (another person)
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:27 pm
by zimba
Part 1 the applicant, part 2 for the spouse, part 3 is ignored
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:50 pm
by Orinayano
zimba wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:27 pm
Part 1 the applicant, part 2 for the spouse, part 3 is ignored
Done, thanks.
Do I need to submit proof of cohabitation if I'm applying separately?
I've seen that it is asked when applying together. I wasn't asked for it in my application, but lot of confusion online on whether its required for separate applications.
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:52 pm
by zimba
Cohabitation evidence is required for all dependants when applying for ILR
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:17 pm
by Orinayano
zimba wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:52 pm
Cohabitation evidence is required for all dependants when applying for ILR
Weird that they don't ask for it anywhere even though we choose the 'dependent' route.
Should it be a joint name doc only? Like a council tax one?
Could it be separate docs each with our own name but same address (like our separate bank statements)?
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:33 pm
by AmazonianX
Orinayano wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:17 pm
zimba wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:52 pm
Cohabitation evidence is required for all dependants when applying for ILR
Weird that they don't ask for it anywhere even though we choose the 'dependent' route.
The guidance notes etc are not detailed/exhaustive enough yet can be refused for not providing such unmentioned evidence hence where forums like this comes in to create awareness.
Should it be a joint name doc only? Like a council tax one?
Could it be separate docs each with our own name but same address (like our separate bank statements)?
If joint named, provide 6 for you both, if individually addressed then 6 for each, 3-4months apart covering last 2 years. A mixture of joint and individually named are also accepted.
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:51 pm
by Orinayano
AmazonianX wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:33 pm
If joint named, provide 6 for you both, if individually addressed then 6 for each, 3-4months apart covering last 2 years. A mixture of joint and individually named are also accepted[/highlight].
I hope its not 6 different types of documents each 3-4 months apart? I read somewhere about submitting different types of docs.
So, our separate bank statements from the last 2 years should be enough? (Total 12 docs, all bank statements only, 6 mine, 6 hers)
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:53 pm
by AmazonianX
Orinayano wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:51 pm
AmazonianX wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:33 pm
If joint named, provide 6 for you both, if individually addressed then 6 for each, 3-4months apart covering last 2 years. A mixture of joint and individually named are also accepted[/highlight].
I hope its not 6 different types of documents each 3-4 months apart? I read somewhere about submitting different types of docs.
So, our separate bank statements from the last 2 years should be enough? (Total 12 docs, all bank statements only, 6 mine, 6 hers)
From at least 3 sources. You can not just use all bank statements.
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:01 pm
by zimba
Orinayano wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:17 pm
zimba wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:52 pm
Cohabitation evidence is required for all dependants when applying for ILR
Weird that they don't ask for it anywhere even though we choose the 'dependent' route.
Should it be a joint name doc only? Like a council tax one?
Could it be separate docs each with our own name but same address (like our separate bank statements)?
The document list is not always accurate. It is not conclusive.
Cohabitation evidence is not mentioned in the rules. The rules require you to have lived in the UK in a subsisting genuine relationship, hence the home office procedures historically required cohabitation evidence.
See:
All you need to know about cohabitation evidence
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:08 pm
by Orinayano
AmazonianX wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:53 pm
From at least 3 sources. You can not just use all bank statements.
Hmm.. does each source need to span across 2 year period, spread 3/4 months apart?
Is it a mix match of documents form at least 3 different sources spanning across 2 year period, spread 3/4 months apart?
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:11 pm
by AmazonianX
Correct
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:17 pm
by Orinayano
Sorry, which part is correct?
Re: All dependents need to submit separately
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:06 am
by zimba
Orinayano wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:17 pm
Sorry, which part is correct?
You seem to be repeatedly nitpicking here. Have you read the links provided above or not ??
You have now been advised that there is NO specific requirement or any set of documents or a specific format that needs to be provided. I repeat there is no specific evidence, so provide whatever you have. This is not very important as per the rules
