Citizenship delays: FOI and an application for an Order for Mandamus via the High Courts

[Shelter]

Hi guys I applied for FOI on Friday and I got ref number today ..and it takes 4 to 5 weeks ..and they say they might refuse my FOI record request ..

Why they may refuse the request?

It says in the email that if I don't hear anything back from them in 4-6 weeks that's mean my request for FOI record has refused..if I want to appeal I have 4 weeks to appeal ..

[Vorona]

If you followed correct procedure they won't reject your request. You will get an email with your file in PDF format. You have a right to obtain a copy of the record they have about you.

[irishman003]

If you followed correct procedure they won't reject your request. You will get an email with your file in PDF format. You have a right to obtain a copy of the record they have about you.

Agree, I haven't heard anybody at least on the forum who have said that they got refused for FOI.

[Shelter]

If you followed correct procedure they won't reject your request. You will get an email with your file in PDF format. You have a right to obtain a copy of the record they have about you.

Hopefully ..fingers crossed

[alhakeem]

Shelter, I think it is a positive response, to my knowledge FOI is a right, and you should get it, but I think of it in another way and positively, they mean you will no longer require your file as you will get a decision even before the specified period, they told you previously that your application was already submitted to the minister which I take it seriously strongly, they think you will have a decision in afew days or weeks and you will be happy of their refusal , but for any reason if the minister did not decide they will send you your file.I have no other explanation, so hope all the best for you.

[Shelter]

Shelter, I think it is a positive response, to my knowledge FOI is a right, and you should get it, but I think of it in another way and positively, they mean you will no longer require your file as you will get a decision even before the specified period, they told you previously that your application was already submitted to the minister which I take it seriously strongly, they think you will have a decision in afew days or weeks and you will be happy of their refusal , but for any reason if the minister did not decide they will send you your file.I have no other explanation, so hope all the best for you.

Thanks @alhakeem hopefully u r right about email ..anyway I applied for FOI before I got that that email from citizenship department...

[Julio_Tebenado]

Unfortunately, it's not like that. In the response, there is "have being submitted", not "have been submitted". I received exactly the same copy-paste reply in November. Last week I wrote another enquiry about my application's status and asked what "have being submitted" meant. The reply was: "it is
currently being prepared for submission to the Minister for decision but
has not yet been submitted"

[user77]

Hi all

i am thinking to request for FOI just to know if they really make any effort or my file is eating dust somewhere behind. its been more than 2 years

[Shelter]

Hi all

i am thinking to request for FOI just to know if they really make any effort or my file is eating dust somewhere behind. its been more than 2 years

Good idea ... go for it ..

[WaitingConfused]

I just got a quote from a known solicitor agency.
Solicitor's professional fee is 5200 Eur plus VAT.

[Paddy1996]

I just got a quote from a known solicitor agency.
Solicitor's professional fee is 5200 Eur plus VAT.

A quote for what for you citizenship that’s mad mos of the solicitor they do that 900€

[quip]

hi everone! i need to apply for FOI can anyone please guide me how to apply , can i apply through by my email or by post and how long its take to get back report from department i am waiting long in 4th year now still waitin
thanks

[Shelter]

hi everone! i need to apply for FOI can anyone please guide me how to apply , can i apply through by my email or by post and how long its take to get back report from department i am waiting long in 4th year now still waitin
thanks

I applied by email and got references no in 2 days

[quip]

hi everone! i need to apply for FOI can anyone please guide me how to apply , can i apply through by my email or by post and how long its take to get back report from department i am waiting long in 4th year now still waitin
thanks

I applied by email and got references no in 2 days

hi can you please tell me how you apply any link please
thanks

[Shelter]

Here Is the link


http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Fre ... nformation

[quip]

Here Is the link


http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Fre ... nformation

Thanks Shelter
someone give me this link can you please check it is that the same FOI request or its different request
thanks
http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Data_Protection

[Shell90]

Here Is the link


http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Fre ... nformation

Thanks Shelter
someone give me this link can you please check it is that the same FOI request or its different request
thanks
http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Data_Protection

I am not sure about this ... the one I used is this

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Fre ... nformation

[polarcub]

To make a Freedom of Information Request (FOI) you can either email or mail in the application (along with a copy of your ID) to the department. The FOI will show you what's been done to date on your application. It takes a few days for the department to acknowledge your request via email (you will be issued a reference number). After that it takes about 4 weeks to receive the FOI documents. Making an FOI is free.

The URL to make an FOI is: http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Fre ... nformation

[user77]

I just got a quote from a known solicitor agency.
Solicitor's professional fee is 5200 Eur plus VAT.

A quote for what for you citizenship that’s mad mos of the solicitor they do that 900€

Hi Paddy1996,

any chance you can share details of your Solicitor?

[CR001]

Hi Paddy1996,

any chance you can share details of your Solicitor?

Members are NOT permitted to post names and details of solicotors on the forum. Please do not ask for this information. It will be removed.

[polarcub]

To find a solicitor google something like "Dublin Immigration Solicitors" and it'll pull up all the options and you can read the google ratings and reviews, where people discuss their case etc.. You can't share lawyer contact details on here.

I just got a quote from a known solicitor agency.
Solicitor's professional fee is 5200 Eur plus VAT.

A quote for what for you citizenship that’s mad mos of the solicitor they do that 900€

Hi Paddy1996,

any chance you can share details of your Solicitor?

[user77]

To find a solicitor google something like "Dublin Immigration Solicitors" and it'll pull up all the options and you can read the google ratings and reviews, where people discuss their case etc.. You can't share lawyer contact details on here.

I just got a quote from a known solicitor agency.
Solicitor's professional fee is 5200 Eur plus VAT.

A quote for what for you citizenship that’s mad mos of the solicitor they do that 900€

Hi Paddy1996,

any chance you can share details of your Solicitor?

thanks for that

[polarcub]

No problem!

On a related note: I've noticed people have different theories about how long one should wait before going through the courts to force a decision - I've seen everything thrown out 4, 3, 2, 1.5 (years) etc... This all seems like a personal preference as opposed to what the courts favour. From my understanding you can take your case to court once your application has exceeded the amount of time the department has advised. At the moment they are telling everyone it'll take 1 year (except for the people who applied during the pandemic). Therefore theoretically, after 1 year you can start the process.

For the people who have gone through the courts - have your lawyers made any comments regarding how long one should wait before making a case?

[Paddy1996]

No problem!

On a related note: I've noticed people have different theories about how long one should wait before going through the courts to force a decision - I've seen everything thrown out 4, 3, 2, 1.5 (years) etc... This all seems like a personal preference as opposed to what the courts favour. From my understanding you can take your case to court once your application has exceeded the amount of time the department has advised. At the moment they are telling everyone it'll take 1 year (except for the people who applied during the pandemic). Therefore theoretically, after 1 year you can start the process.

For the people who have gone through the courts - have your lawyers made any comments regarding how long one should wait before making a case?

Even if you go to court after 1 year you still have to way long time more as the court process it’s a long story , first you have to sent letters to government so that’s gonna take 2-3 months second you have to start the court cAses they will leave you a date for a court hearing, after that there will be couple of weeks to do different days of court hearing untill both parties agreed for a decision in time agreements which all this are gonna take you 1 more year

[polarcub]

so start the process after 1 year or 1.5 years has passed, as everything takes time. The steps are then:
1. FOI - takes about 1 month
2. Get a lawyer to send letter to the INIS - 2-3 months
3. Get a court date -?
4. Get a decision from the courts -?
5. Wait for the INIS to send finalize application decision as ordered by the courts - ?

How long did you process for all of the above take in total?

No problem!

On a related note: I've noticed people have different theories about how long one should wait before going through the courts to force a decision - I've seen everything thrown out 4, 3, 2, 1.5 (years) etc... This all seems like a personal preference as opposed to what the courts favour. From my understanding you can take your case to court once your application has exceeded the amount of time the department has advised. At the moment they are telling everyone it'll take 1 year (except for the people who applied during the pandemic). Therefore theoretically, after 1 year you can start the process.

For the people who have gone through the courts - have your lawyers made any comments regarding how long one should wait before making a case?

Even if you go to court after 1 year you still have to way long time more as the court process it’s a long story , first you have to sent letters to government so that’s gonna take 2-3 months second you have to start the court cAses they will leave you a date for a court hearing, after that there will be couple of weeks to do different days of court hearing untill both parties agreed for a decision in time agreements which all this are gonna take you 1 more year