right of abode query

[saud27]

if somebody is entitled to right of abode (born to a british parent overseas)
(meaning he has not applied for his british passport due to dual nationality restrictions)
but does not have the right of abode sticker is there any way he can prove he has right of abode to the imigration officer at any uk airport.

does right of abode cert need to applied for in the country the person was born? or is it possible he travel to the uk on a 6 month tourist visa and apply there in the uk as fees are cheaper.

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[JAJ]

if somebody is entitled to right of abode (born to a british parent overseas)
(meaning he has not applied for his british passport due to dual nationality restrictions)
but does not have the right of abode sticker is there any way he can prove he has right of abode to the imigration officer at any uk airport.

No way. Get a right of abode sticker or British passport before you leave. With respect, if you can't afford to do that, you can't afford to make the move.

[saud27]

ok thanks guys

with the new id cards being introduced in the uk will that mean there will be no more need for ROB certs AND INDEFINATE LEAVE STAMP IN YOUR PASSPORTS

is this assumption correct ?

[Wanderer]

ok thanks guys

with the new id cards being introduced in the uk will that mean there will be no more need for ROB certs AND INDEFINATE LEAVE STAMP IN YOUR PASSPORTS

is this assumption correct ?

I think there's a long way to go before ID cards are introduced and if they are, the gov will make sure we and especially imigrants, pay for them.....

[Christophe]

or is it possible he travel to the uk on a 6 month tourist visa and apply there in the uk as fees are cheaper.

You could in theory, I suppose, but it would be extremely ill-advised. First of all, you would have to explain yourself to the immigration officer at the point of entry, but they might not like your "story" - and it's never advisable to lie to these people. Secondly, there are likely to be difficulties with address and proof of identity when you come to apply. So the advice to get the certificate before you leave for the UK is good.

[Christophe]

ok thanks guys

with the new id cards being introduced in the uk will that mean there will be no more need for ROB certs AND INDEFINATE LEAVE STAMP IN YOUR PASSPORTS

is this assumption correct ?

Not necessarily. Passports are primarily travel documents whereas ID cards will be primarily used for proving one's ID in the UK. While it might (or might not) be true that people will be able to enter the UK using an ID card either as proof of identity or as proof of the right to live in the UK, it may not, for example, be so easy to get to the UK with only an ID card. For example, if one has the right to live in the UK with, say, ILR - a status that might be "embedded" somehow on an ID card - it doesn't follow that one would be able to get on an aeroplane with a one-way ticket to the UK without some sort of endorsement in the passport as well.

And in any case, it doesn't follow that it would be any easier or cheaper for people to have their ID cards upgraded/revalidated than it is for people to get passport stamps and stickers transferred to new passports or passport stamps amended to reflect a new or renewed immigration status.

[Dawie]

ok thanks guys

with the new id cards being introduced in the uk will that mean there will be no more need for ROB certs AND INDEFINATE LEAVE STAMP IN YOUR PASSPORTS

is this assumption correct ?

I think there's a long way to go before ID cards are introduced and if they are, the gov will make sure we and especially imigrants, pay for them.....

ID cards are going to be introduced from next year onwards for all non-EU foreigners resident in the UK, so not such a long way to go! I doubt ID cards will completely replace passports and visa stickers as proof of your right to live in the UK, however they will serve as a convenient alternative.

However the first point of reference for any query about your immigration status will always be your passport + visa (or right of abode sticker).

[Dawie]

ok thanks guys

with the new id cards being introduced in the uk will that mean there will be no more need for ROB certs AND INDEFINATE LEAVE STAMP IN YOUR PASSPORTS

is this assumption correct ?

Not necessarily. Passports are primarily travel documents whereas ID cards will be primarily used for proving one's ID in the UK. While it might (or might not) be true that people will be able to enter the UK using an ID card either as proof of identity or as proof of the right to live in the UK, it may not, for example, be so easy to get to the UK with only an ID card. For example, if one has the right to live in the UK with, say, ILR - a status that might be "embedded" somehow on an ID card - it doesn't follow that one would be able to get on an aeroplane with a one-way ticket to the UK without some sort of endorsement in the passport as well.

And in any case, it doesn't follow that it would be any easier or cheaper for people to have their ID cards upgraded/revalidated than it is for people to get passport stamps and stickers transferred to new passports or passport stamps amended to reflect a new or renewed immigration status.

According to this website, only British citizens will be able to use the new identity card to travel within Europe.