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Im a german citizen. Can I work in Australia?

Post by rbuchner » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:41 pm

hello,

heard somewhere I can work for one year in Australia without requesting any permission. Is that right?

Thank you

Ricardo

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Re: Im a german citizen. Can I work in Australia?

Post by vilkatis » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:56 pm

rbuchner wrote:heard somewhere I can work for one year in Australia without requesting any permission. Is that right?
To the best of my knowledge, no.

You have a lot of visiting and travel privileges. Under some circumstances you can study, or possibly even do a little business-related work (even then you need a business short-stay visa, and such work is VERY restricted).

However, if you want a real job, you will need a work permit.


You (probably ?) can get a Working Holiday Maker visa, assuming Germany & Australia have an agreement on such. That is good for up to 24 months, generally reserved as a once-per-lifetime visa for university-age young people to travel to Australia and get seasonal work to pay for their travels.

For an EU citizen, especially from Germany, obtaining a visa will be relatively painless for you. RELATIVELY. Make sure that, whatever visa you apply for, you get the multiple-entry version so you can come and go if you want to.

But you will need permission from the government to work.

-- vilkatis

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Re: Im a german citizen. Can I work in Australia?

Post by rbuchner » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:03 pm

vilkatis wrote:
rbuchner wrote:heard somewhere I can work for one year in Australia without requesting any permission. Is that right?
To the best of my knowledge, no.

You have a lot of visiting and travel privileges. Under some circumstances you can study, or possibly even do a little business-related work (even then you need a business short-stay visa, and such work is VERY restricted).

However, if you want a real job, you will need a work permit.


You (probably ?) can get a Working Holiday Maker visa, assuming Germany & Australia have an agreement on such. That is good for up to 24 months, generally reserved as a once-per-lifetime visa for university-age young people to travel to Australia and get seasonal work to pay for their travels.

For an EU citizen, especially from Germany, obtaining a visa will be relatively painless for you. RELATIVELY. Make sure that, whatever visa you apply for, you get the multiple-entry version so you can come and go if you want to.

But you will need permission from the government to work.

-- vilkatis
Thanks for the info, Vilkatis!!

Let me explain my situation so you can get a clearer perspective of my case...

Im a brazilian born and german citizen (german grandfathers).
Since work opportunities and economical conditions in my country are not ideal in my job field, Im considering immigration as an option.

US is out of question, the doors are closed (or almost), as we all know.

I have already took that simulation for a work permit in Australia (from this website) and it says I qualify for immigration status (my occupation is in the SOL list, etc..)

So, what are the steps to be taken, in order to get a work permit in that country?

Thank you!

Ricardo

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Post by vilkatis » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:27 pm

Check your private messages.

I cannot advise you more directly. I don't know the process that well.

But if you qualify according to the points calculator, basically you need to find an employer willing to sponsor you for a 457 visa (Skilled Migration Stream).

There's a whole lot of info you can use google to find ... look for what is posted on the Aussie Government site if you want to go it by yourself.

For example:

http://www.immi.gov.au/immigration.htm

Clearly, workpermit.com offers immigration services for a fee, if you wish to go that route. They are not the only possibility. You might want to try & find an adviser who is located in Australia. The market is competitive.

Also, if you have a taste for a more remote location, New Zealand has a lot to offer and is recruiting immigrants very seriously these days.

-- vilkatis

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Post by rbuchner » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:38 pm

vilkatis wrote:
Also, if you have a taste for a more remote location, New Zealand has a lot to offer and is recruiting immigrants very seriously these days.

-- vilkatis
Im a urban type of guy... Are they accepting immigrants for more populated areas too? Don't know much about New Zealand (I don' want to sound an ignaorant about other countries cultures and geography, but NZ is one of the countries I know little or if not nothing about...)

Ricardo

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Post by vilkatis » Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:48 pm

New Zealand is about 4.2 million people located about 2000 km from any other landmass. About the same landmass as Britain, about 2/3's the size of Germany.

It's a bit out in the far South Pacific, to the south & west of Australia. LONG boat ride, and not a very short plane ride, either.

A couple of the cities have a decent population, the climate is beautiful, as is the land. Winters can get a bit cold; it gets into the far southern latitude, about 32 down to 55, similar to living anywhere from mid- to north Europe.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/nz.html

It would not be like living in a small village in Southern Chile, for example. But, it would very certainly be nothing like Berlin, for another.

But, New Zealand has all the modern conveniences and you wouldn't lack for contact with the world via Internet & such. It is consistently rated as one of the top five countries (sometimes top two) to be in if global climate change really takes off, for a wide variety of reasons.

The government is a bit liberal and very environment and ecology oriented. It's a fairly independent lifestyle, generally speaking. I've met a couple of Kiwi's (as they call themselves) over the years and they've all been really good folks.

In one or two years it would be a large new place to live in. After that, it might start feeling like you know all of it. Depends on your personality.

I'm the sort of person that could really enjoy it. Forget about the rest of the world. I've been considering it very seriously for about three years now and still haven't made up my mind. In my current situation, I haven't really run out of possibilities.

I only suggested it as a place that is easier than most to get into if you are educated & speak English fluently.

You would seem to be tri-lingual, I suspect English, German & Portuguese. That could give you teaching opportunities, or business opportunities with companies that want business in South America &/or Europe.

All depends on your skills. And what you want out of life.

-- vilkatis

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Post by rbuchner » Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:34 pm

vilkatis wrote:New Zealand is about 4.2 million people located about 2000 km from any other landmass. About the same landmass as Britain, about 2/3's the size of Germany.

It's a bit out in the far South Pacific, to the south & west of Australia. LONG boat ride, and not a very short plane ride, either.

A couple of the cities have a decent population, the climate is beautiful, as is the land. Winters can get a bit cold; it gets into the far southern latitude, about 32 down to 55, similar to living anywhere from mid- to north Europe.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/nz.html

It would not be like living in a small village in Southern Chile, for example. But, it would very certainly be nothing like Berlin, for another.

But, New Zealand has all the modern conveniences and you wouldn't lack for contact with the world via Internet & such. It is consistently rated as one of the top five countries (sometimes top two) to be in if global climate change really takes off, for a wide variety of reasons.

The government is a bit liberal and very environment and ecology oriented. It's a fairly independent lifestyle, generally speaking. I've met a couple of Kiwi's (as they call themselves) over the years and they've all been really good folks.

In one or two years it would be a large new place to live in. After that, it might start feeling like you know all of it. Depends on your personality.

I'm the sort of person that could really enjoy it. Forget about the rest of the world. I've been considering it very seriously for about three years now and still haven't made up my mind. In my current situation, I haven't really run out of possibilities.

I only suggested it as a place that is easier than most to get into if you are educated & speak English fluently.

You would seem to be tri-lingual, I suspect English, German & Portuguese. That could give you teaching opportunities, or business opportunities with companies that want business in South America &/or Europe.

All depends on your skills. And what you want out of life.

-- vilkatis
Thanks Vilkatis!

the basics about NZ Im pretty sure I know... I just dont know how populated the cities are, city infraestructure and such...
But living in Brazil, anywhere could be better...

You are right, I know some languages (Portuguese, English, Spanish and French) Not german :shock: Pretty odd, since Im german...

But my father was born in time when Brazil was in the WWII against germany, so my grandfather was not allowed to teach any german at all to his son... so the language heritage died there...

Well, I consider myself pretty enough educated, (have a marketing degree) Im also a pro photographer (Im not sure if theres market in NZ in this field... have any idea??)
Heres my work: www.ricardobuchner.com

Thanks for all the attention you are spending on my case!

Ricardo

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Post by vilkatis » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:18 pm

I pretty much told you most of what I know.

I looked through your website, the portfolio and catalog. Some pretty impressive work! I'm a bit of a hobbyist, but haven't had the chance to pursue it for a number of years now.

Just thinking out loud, there may be opportunities to obtain work, either privately or for the government, to promote either Australia or New Zealand. Both are seeking to promote their tourism and their immigration, so there may be a route for you.

Also, if you are established in Europe with your private business, then you have opportunities to travel to these countries on business visas as a free-lancer on a project-by-project basis.

It would get you into the countries to establish a reputation and contacts, which could then rapidly lead to a more permanent immigration route.


Australia has a 676 class Short Stay visa you should look into. I can't remember all the details, but I believe it's valid for one year. As an EU citizen, you qualify to apply over the internet for free (the electronic 676, e676 visa) with other fees being fairly minimal.

If you go that route, make sure to get the multiple-entry visa. It would allow you to travel to nearby locations at your option. Also, if you enter Australia on the last day of the visa's validity, you can stay for 90 days, effectively turning it into a 15-month visa, so long as you don't exit the country in the last 90 days.

Of course, the flight is a large business expense.

If you are young enough, seriously, look into the Working Holiday Maker. It's an incredible opportunity that you can use once in your life. You should be able to act as a free-lance photographer with such a visa. Technically, you would never be working for one company for very long, which should keep you legal.

After that expires, you could get a series of 676 visa's. But, if you are interested in permanent residence or naturalization, you'll need to look at other options. The time under these visas doesn't count toward your long-term residency requirements.


I know less about New Zealand. I looked into this a little bit since I am a small business owner & was exploring travel opportunities.

If I was in your position, I'd maybe try to find some outfit(s) in Australia &/or New Zealand and try to engage in some independent projects with them.

Like I said before, depends what you want out of it/life. If you're into fashion photography, there should be plenty of opportunities in Australia. If you're also open to lots of nature photography, both countries have spectacular areas.

With your background and language skills, the New Zealand government especially (or private interests) might have some opportunity for you to promote the country to Brazilian immigrants/tourists.

Sometimes if you have a proposal, you can create your own opportunity.

-- vilkatis

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Thanks again!

Post by rbuchner » Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:27 pm

Tks, Vilkatis!!

This is such an amount of information!!!

I have a business based in Brazil (not Europe). Will it make any difference?

I will taske a look on those visas.

Ricardo

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Post by vilkatis » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:12 pm

You are an EU citizen who owns your own business. Which country it is registered in ... I don't know if it would make a difference.

You probably can get your business officially recognized in Germany, thus making it somewhat (or more than 'somewhat') of an EU business. Look into it locally. You may be able to register it fully for doing international business, with the 'prime' registration in Brazil & another in Germany, very hopefully for minimal fees.

This is only an idea. I really am not an authority on it. My business is registered & tax-paying in the EU, so I haven't had to consider this angle.

I'm pretty sure with a little bit of investigation you can find a way for you to make an application as an EU independent businessman working for yourself on assignment for your business as a consultant or a contractor to another interest, gov or private.


BTW, I was checking back in here to post this link:

http://www.pictureninja.com/

There's a section on New Zealand with some pretty spectacular photo's. Some wonderful natural shots, but a few that I think may give you an idea about how urban a couple of the cities are.

Wellington, Hamilton & Auckland links for that. Maybe urban enough for your tastes.

-- vilkatis

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Re: Im a german citizen. Can I work in Australia?

Post by kangGuru » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:01 pm

rbuchner wrote:hello,

heard somewhere I can work for one year in Australia without requesting any permission. Is that right?

Thank you

Ricardo
YES, NO PROBLEM for German Citizen to come on Working Holiday Visa.
http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/working ... /index.htm
If you come to Melbourne, please contact me...
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