EEA Family Permit For my brother

[khanjaan]

HI i just want to find out few things if someone can help or even is that possible.
I am British passport holder .
And my brother live in Pakistan with his wife and 2 kids
can i bring him in uk as a EEA Family permits.
Do i have to go to any European country and need to work there or self employed for a little while .
its very confusing .
can someone tell me is there any way i can bring my brother in to UK if its possible please let me know.
and if yes where my brother needs to apply from is he need to apply from Pakistan in which category which application .so please someone help in detail.

[MPH80]

Two things need to happen:

1) Your brother has to become dependant on you financially - and for a while, not just for a month or two.
2) You have to relocate your life to another EU country - probably for at least 6 months.

Then you can start thinking about bringing him. But his extended family might be a problem too - they'll all have to be financially dependant on you.

[khanjaan]

Two things need to happen:

1) Your brother has to become dependant on you financially - and for a while, not just for a month or two.
2) You have to relocate your life to another EU country - probably for at least 6 months.

Then you can start thinking about bringing him. But his extended family might be a problem too - they'll all have to be financially dependant on you.

so i need to go to any eu country and stay there for 6 months and than apply for my brother to come to eu country or come to uk

[MPH80]

Once your brother is completely financially dependant on you you can bring him into that EU Country, where you will have moved the center of your life to, before then considering returning.

This is not an easy path you are on here.

You have to move, become financially stable in the new country - not be popping back to the UK once a month - AND you have to be supporting your brother completely.

[allenboo]

hi MPH80

i am in the same situation. i have a brother (over 21) who is in the uk on student visa. i am a british passport holder and i am willing to move to germany. please can you give us the link in eu documentation which say adult dependants (like brother) can join family memebers in member states. i am aware that parents and children are easy but i dont know of brother, sisters, cousins

[MPH80]

The critical thing I've missed previously is that the brother would be limited to a 6 month permit.

Not sure how this holds together given they'd be here as a dependant.

Anyway - here's the link to the rules: https://www.gov.uk/family-permit

I'm also going to point out that it's not a simple matter of 'moving' - it's relocating. You have to move lock, stock and barrel.

[allenboo]

hi
i am willing to move heaven and earth, even if it is 2 years they want, becasue I have I have 20 dependants queing, so maybe 2 in every 6 months

[allenboo]

MPH80,
do you know what might happen if the brother (over 21) is already in uk on student visa, the i want to move to germany so that he will join me here. i can show that we live in same hosuehold and i put money in his account regularly. do you think Germany authorities will go seek his student visa application from ukba.

[MPH80]

Edit: I think I'm getting the wrong end of the stick looking at the raw EU regulations:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2006 ... ion/8/made

As far as I can tell - if you use the singh route - your brother would qualify. However, here's the catches:

1) You have to move to another EU country - lock, stock and barrel - so no coming back for quick visits. You would have to be working in the other country and they'd be looking for signs that you settled there - e.g. property, bank accounts, work etc. It's not a quick route.
2) Your brother has to be completely dependant on you - not slightly - not 'making a bit of his own cash' - completely. He'd also have to reside with you in Germany - probably for a significant period of time to avoid an 'abuse' accusation.
3) If you then left the UK to 'repeat' a Singh route for anyone else before your brother obtained PR - he'd have to leave too.

[allenboo]

MPH80
i guess it will be tough but may take time. thats means i have to get all the dependants (irrespective of numbers) down to germany first before everyone does the surrinder sign route to uk. it will be tough and expensive but no options as UK wants only rich people (18600 pounds). thanks for that link. it is good.

[MPH80]

If you do it at the same time all 20 people would have to be completely dependent on you at the same time.

[allenboo]

you know under eu rules if marriage last for 3 years before divorce, then non eu can retain rights. how does this play out with dependants. do they have to depend on you for 3 years only or for the full 5 years before they can retain or acquire permanent residence?

[flozo64]

I think there's a misunderstanding here. You can take your brother to Europe through surrinder singh, and he can return to the UK for up to 6 months but he cannot remain longer. Under the Eea2 visa your brother wouldn't be eligable to apply to remain in the UK permanently. The only option would be for your brother to gain citizenship in Europe, yet I don't know how easy or complicated this will be.

[flozo64]

You can stay for longer than 6 months if you’re related to an EEA national as their:

spouse or civil partner
child or grandchild, or their spouse or civil partner’s child or grandchild, and under 21 years old
dependent child or grandchild, or their spouse or civil partner’s child or grandchild, and over 21 years old
dependent parent or grandparent, or their spouse or civil partner’s parent or grandparent

[allenboo]

Flozo, so you mean he won't qualify base on eea2 after surrinder singh. Please can you tell why it is like this and maybe provide links to documentation where this is stated. Thanks

[Wanderer]

hi
i am willing to move heaven and earth, even if it is 2 years they want, becasue I have I have 20 dependants queing, so maybe 2 in every 6 months

You mean 20 dependents that you selfishly abandoned lol!!

[allenboo]

Wanderer, to live in Europe is not easy for some person. So having abandoned tgese 20 dependants, it is time to right the wrong - better late than never lol

[flozo64]

https://www.gov.uk/family-permit

Gov website, you cannot bring siblings to the UK for permanent stay through surrinder singh, you can only bring them to Europe.

[flozo64]

https://www.gov.uk/apply-for-a-uk-resid ... ligibility

May be possible to apply for residence card but I think it would be extremely difficult to prove financial dependency. I don't believe you will be successful in bringing 20 dependents. They will get suspicious. They won't believe 20 people are completely financially dependent upon you. Even if they are, how will you prove it?

[allenboo]

Flozo, you said I can only bring siblings to Europe and not uk sd it seems uk has more restrictions - but for children and parents it is ok to uk for more than 6 months. Please do you have any link about information on bringing siblings to Europe and what may happen after the 6 months

[flozo64]

Bringing siblings to Europe? Under the eu directive you have the right to bring family to Europe as you exercise your treaty rights. If you bring a sibling back to the UK under a family permit and they aren't granted another visa they will have no rights to remain.

[allenboo]

Thanks flozo, now I know it is possible. Though it could be difficult but possible. It is meticulous planning I guess. Please will my dependant have to be with me for 5 years or they can apply on their own right after 3 years' just like in divorce cases. If possible I can put them through domestic violence if it can be doable

[flozo64]

Divorce? Domestic violence? What are you talking about? Domestic violence is a serious matter and divorce wouldn't apply unless married to an eea citizen.

The best thing to do would be to gain European citizenship, this would be much stronger than simply trying to enter Britain and fight an appeal for a visa.

Try this Facebook site https://www.facebook.com/groups/650212281695959/

It's for British couples exercising treaty rights but you may find it helpful. All advice there too.

[allenboo]

I mean, in marriage cases, if marriage last for 3 years before divorce then non eu can retain their rights. So does anything applies to dependant siblings (over 21 bother) to enable them retain their rights in 3 years, maybe be it could be domestic violence or others

[Wanderer]

Some sockpuppetry going on here I think!