indefinate leave fees causing hardship to family life

[badmaash]

well as is known the recent hike in fees is something which not anybody can be pleased about a whoping hike of over 400 pounds is definatly a way to rip somebody out of pocket to fund illegal wars in iraq , afganitaan and whereever else

but to the point in recent times rip offs whether in the finance of telecoms industry have been told either to reuimburse customers or put their prices down

can anything be done in regards to the recent hike of 750 POUNDS and which is likely to be rounded of oneday at the 1000QUID MARK

lets see what other have to say
i started this one to see what opinions of other were
i thought the UK goverment encouraged family life are they ?

i wait replies
thank you

[Wanderer]

I think for the Skilled Migrant the costs are about right. For marriage visas I think they should be a lot higher, international relationships are not cheap, too many try it on the cheap and end up marrying a stranger.

I'd like to see a Prospective Partner Visa, one year, cost 3000 quid, 2000 returned if partnership fails and foriegn partner goes home, if they disappear you lose the lot. At that's it, FLR, ILR and BC all free then on.

If u r serious about international dating and romance, 3k is nothing.

Honestly - I see so many on other forums marrying someone they hardly know these people need to put off with this returnable deposit visa scheme of mine!

[Siggi]

Badmaash
The fees are not out of touch with other country, yes they are high but not like Austrilia and the USA .
So please remember you always have a choose, if you wish to stay in the UK or not.
I would suggest you like me you too should start saving your pennys or pack your bags!

[badmaash]

i still say ther are to high and there is absolutely no need for comaparisosn with other countries i mena i do agree with raising cost but not hikes of over 400 pounds

dont you think that is little on the harsh way ?

look at the asylum seeker he for sure enjoys his stay free benefits free housing i mean why not cut there benefits and give the IDL visa for free

[jimquk]

Badmaash said

look at the asylum seeker he for sure enjoys his stay free benefits free housing i mean why not cut there benefits and give the IDL visa for free

What have asylum-seekers got to do with it???????? Have you any idea how cr@p the life of most AS is???? The fact that the Government chooses to waste lots of money forcing asylum-seekers to sit in misery year after year does not justify extortionate fees for ILR etc. By the way, when they are eventually accepted, they have to pay the same fees for BC etc as you.

On your original point, I agree that the fees are punitive. I think the best system would be an extension of that suggested by Wanderer: a fee of five-ten grand for a five year visa, if you've been gainfully employed and kept your nose clean at the end of the five years, you get BC plus your money back (OK, less the admin costs). If someone takes state support in that five years, incurs serious health costs, criminal justice costs, etc - pack them off back home, and take all the costs out of the fee - actually more like a bond than a fee.

Anyone vote me for Home Sec?

[SYH]

I happily will give them 1000 pounds if approved, if not 250 quid for their time

[johnsienk]

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[gordon]

The health system isn't entirely free for most people, since it's presumably funded in connection with earnings taxation constructs. That aside, however, I don't see the point of charging economic migrants exceptionally for excessive healthcare usage if, by definition, they were paying to be part of the risk pool under national health insurance while they were using the health service (not sure what to say about the unwaged migrants' use of the health service, though).

But I don't think the immigration processing/applications costs comparison with other countries is out of line. Cost recovery programmes are not unheard of elsewhere, and there's no good reason that they should not be in place in the UK. In principle, at least, pay-for-service might actually further engender an accountability mechanism to migrants (consumers or customers, or even patrons, if you like). Maybe the HO could take it a step further and introduce rebates on processing fees when case management drags on too long or something.

AG

[SYH]

The health system isn't entirely free for most people, since it's presumably funded in connection with earnings taxation constructs. That aside, however, I don't see the point of charging economic migrants exceptionally for excessive healthcare usage if, by definition, they were paying to be part of the risk pool under national health insurance while they were using the health service (not sure what to say about the unwaged migrants' use of the health service, though).

But I don't think the immigration processing/applications costs comparison with other countries is out of line. Cost recovery programmes are not unheard of elsewhere, and there's no good reason that they should not be in place in the UK. In principle, at least, pay-for-service might actually further engender an accountability mechanism to migrants (consumers, if you like). Maybe they could take it a step further and introduce rebates on processing fees when case management drags on too long or something.


AG

Let's not get our knickers bunched up, it was more of a concept on how to deal with the exorbitant costs, I hope, than really how it should or whom it should impact people

[gordon]

Let's not get our knickers bunched up, it was more of a concept on how to deal with the exorbitant costs, I hope, than really how it should or whom it should impact people

I'm well aware that it was a thought exercise and had treated the topic as such.

[SYH]

Let's not get our knickers bunched up, it was more of a concept on how to deal with the exorbitant costs, I hope, than really how it should or whom it should impact people

I'm well aware that it was a thought exercise and had treated the topic as such.

okie dokie, just got the impression that an implosion was evident, my bad

[jimquk]

Hi guys

Yeah just to clarify, my "thought exercise" was simply based on countering the perception out there that immigrants come to take from the state rather than contributing to it. My idea was that migrants should be welcomed (without jumping through hoops, assessing points/skills etc), but that it should be made transparent that they don't cost the public anything. Of course, emergency health treatment is different. And once someone became a citizen, obviously they would have the same entitlements as others.

As no-one is voting me for Home Sec, my thoughts are probably irrelevant anyway!

[avjones]

"look at the asylum seeker he for sure enjoys his stay free benefits free housing i mean why not cut there benefits and give the IDL visa for free"

What? They have no choice where they live, NASS can move them anywhere. Benefits for mule are crap, they are lower than income support. Not a great life!

[mym]

I'd like to see a Prospective Partner Visa, one year, cost 3000 quid, 2000 returned if partnership fails and foriegn partner goes home, if they disappear you lose the lot. At that's it, FLR, ILR and BC all free then on.

If u r serious about international dating and romance, 3k is nothing.

The costs are completely invidious. Especially compared to the free access given to the other EU citizens. I see no reason whatever why british citizens should pay anything to the government for permission to live with their partners.

And 3k is certainly not "nothing" to most people.

[mym]

I'd like to see a Prospective Partner Visa, one year, cost 3000 quid, 2000 returned if partnership fails and foriegn partner goes home, if they disappear you lose the lot. At that's it, FLR, ILR and BC all free then on.

If u r serious about international dating and romance, 3k is nothing.

The costs are completely invidious. Especially compared to the free access given to the other EU citizens. I see no reason whatever why british citizens should pay anything to the government for permission to live with their partners.

And 3k is certainly not "nothing" to most peopl

[Wanderer]

I'd like to see a Prospective Partner Visa, one year, cost 3000 quid, 2000 returned if partnership fails and foriegn partner goes home, if they disappear you lose the lot. At that's it, FLR, ILR and BC all free then on.

If u r serious about international dating and romance, 3k is nothing.

The costs are completely invidious. Especially compared to the free access given to the other EU citizens. I see no reason whatever why british citizens should pay anything to the government for permission to live with their partners.

And 3k is certainly not "nothing" to most peopl

You misunderstand. I'm say 3k is nothing if you r serious about forming a relationship with someone living or resident abraod.

Flights, relocation, visits home after ur marriage make 3k nowt. And if u do it on the cheap the whole thing is doomed. You end up married to disillusioned stranger.

[AlexCh]

Well - 400 quid is less than 3 monthly travel cards cost - if you cannot afford this - are you sure that you can afford to be married?

[badmaash]

as MYM said why should we have to pay to live with our partner and someone from the eu doesnt pay anything

so meaning british means nothing to the government it all properganda and a way of making money do you really the government by putting all these new iniatiatives are really thinking about the so CALLED BRITISHNESS ITS ALL ABOUT THE TREASURY I SAY ANOTHER WAY OF JUST EARNING MORE MONEY FROM ITS OWN SUBJECTS

WE NEED A NICE GENEROUS WELFARE STATE LIKE THE ONES OF THE RICH ARAB GULF STATES WHO REALLY GIVE THEIR CITIZENS VALUE WITH LOTS OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE LETS HOPE THAT GORDON BROWN IS NO LONGER PRIME MINISTER AT THE END OF HIS TERM

[Siggi]

Well you try and live in one of those nice Rich Arab Gulf States and see how much freedom you have!