belfast born child and non-european parents

[yahoo]

hello,
my child was born in Belfast while I was studying there.(he has Irish passport now).me and my spouse are non EU citizens.


Taking into consideration Man Chen case,will I be able to apply for a visa on that ground?Of course,I understand that i must provide medical insurance and live without recourse to public funds.
thanks a lot

[t4cash]

Dear Yahoo

I am in a similar situation. I posted the same question since Monday but no one seems to know much here (nor apparently anywhere including the lawyers I have called) about the application of the Man Chen ruling

Lets keep each other informed if either finds something. Ok?

[yahoo]

Hi
[Lets keep each other informed if either finds something]
I think the case is so fresh that nobody has realised the consequences of it yet.Ideally,we shall contact the Chen's solicitor.But I could not find the details of his/her.
If I manage to get any additional information,I will definitely let You know.
And I reckon the situation will clear within next couple of months.
good luck.
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[try-one]

I have no idea about the law, I'm just good with search engines:
http://www.iccl.ie/minorities/race/04_c ... relim.html
For further information, please contact:
Irish Council for Civil Liberties
Aisling Reidy, Director, Tel: (01) 878 3137

http://www.ucc.ie/law/irishlaw/blogger/ ... -chen.html
To get the text go to

http://curia.eu.int/jurisp/cgi-bin/form.pl?lang=en

and under 'Names of Parties' input 'Chen', then click 'Submit' [at top of screen]

aparently there are 10,000 people in the same situation as you and aprently the chen ruling opens the door for you to live in the UK...again, I have no idea about the law

[Chess]

It is likely that several European Countries especially the Germans and the Brits will find a way of opting out/refusing the ruling...


Before 1983, at least in Britain , the affluent people from the developing world used to try to have their kids born in the UK so that they can secure British citizenship

Since 1983 the story has been different - The law courts will be pretty busy very soon....


I can imagine all those kids (now possibly adults) born in Ireland in the last 10 to 40 years arriving with their parents at European borders very soon!!!

[try-one]

Checkmate,
I read part of the ruling and aparently it is about the right of a parent to attend to their children....It might not cover the adults but I'm pretty sure it would cover the under 18's.....a lot of people.

[yahoo]

thanks a lot,checkmate
You are right about the Brits and the Germans choice.
and about the courts being very busy pretty soon too

but

[I can imagine all those kids (now possibly adults) born in Ireland in the last 10 to 40 years arriving with their parents at European borders very soon!!!]
the only thing is if an EU-citizen is older than 18 years old and can provide for him/herself and his/her parents without recourse to public funds,nothing stops the parents from moving to the Uk(or any european country if their child(older than 18) resides there).And as far as I know it is categorised as a "family reunion" or something similar


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[t4cash]

Apparently the Chen Ruling is still contentious and the UK goverment will not be eager to encourage floods of EU children with their parents to come and settle here. A lawyer friend said it will likely only apply if the child's family have no other alternative (the Chens claimed the girl was a second child which is illegal in China)

I can imagine the UK court (definitely the rightwingers) asking "why not go to Ireland and settle there?"