Applying for Spouse Visa after 6month

[Rayking]

Slight modification is needed on you advise as I stated above.

For Cat B, a person does not only have to show that they earn 18600 over 12 month, but also that their current gross annual earnings will be 18600 or over.

Oh,I got your point,cat B isn't as easy as I thought then? This can cause technical refusal. I just noticed it. Thanks you're right!

[Bucki]

YOU LOST ME NOW!

I went to university and did not work!
the work I done part time was, fixing computers etc .. which I put in my pocket.

Now, are you saying that I cannot make any application
unless I have been work for past 12months with the annual income of 18.600???

I thought, I can start working from today (provided the 18.600 is met)
and then after 7 month of work, I make the application

that is not possible ????
Wholy sh**** :*

NEVER MIND, I FORGOT THE CAT A OPTION

[Bucki]

No,explanation given is if you've been working somewhere else over six months or more and for instance you got another job.
If you work 3 months and you've not been working before then it's not possible.
Cat A,work 6 months and meet annual income of 18600 * one employer
Cat B,work 6 months to 12, meet 18600 * could be one employer or as many,as long as you've earned 18600 in the past 12 months.

Ahhh what a relief
Cat A would be the best option.

Indeed, Cat b is way over complicated and too much hassle.
In my case, cat A is the only way to go fore.

Thanks GOD

[Rayking]

I'm sorry to say,it's like you're taking us back,read the rules first,then ask specific question, you've asked this before.

[Bucki]

OBBIE

could u read my message (look up) and let me know ur opinion.
The thing u said about moving to another state ...

[Bucki]

Also, may I ask a question regarding the "accommodation"

I live with my parents.
My mom unable to work, and my dad is the carer.

Anyway, I got my own room, big enough for 2 adults.
Am I still eligible to use my room in the application ... eventho' I dont own the house/place

I got no bills to show. I only pay the internet and food.
Apart from property inspections, is there any other specific doc' requirements !?


Cheers

[SoHopeful]

Obie was referring to moving to an EU country, have your wife join you, and working there for 6-12 months before then applying to return to the UK with your wife. There is no financial requirement, however you do need to show that the 'centre of your life' is now in that country to satisfy UK immigration that it wasn't all just to get around the UK rules (even if it was...)

Also, may I ask a question regarding the "accommodation"

I live with my parents.
My mom unable to work, and my dad is the carer.

Anyway, I got my own room, big enough for 2 adults.
Am I still eligible to use my room in the application ... eventho' I dont own the house/place

I got no bills to show. I only pay the internet and food.
Apart from property inspections, is there any other specific doc' requirements !?


Cheers

You would need the tenancy agreement or proof of ownership and a letter from parents.
Ideally proof of residence would be a recent council tax bill - are you on it even if it's addressed to your parents? If not, any letters from government agencies or NHS, etc.

[Bucki]

Obie was referring to moving to an EU country, have your wife join you, and working there for 6-12 months before then applying to return to the UK with your wife. There is no financial requirement, however you do need to show that the 'centre of your life' is now in that country to satisfy UK immigration that it wasn't all just to get around the UK rules (even if it was...)

Right, would this count if my partner is NOT a member of EAA countries (meaning she would require a visit visa) ??!
An example: I move to germany and start working, then she could come to germany with a tourist visa then I could marry her in Germany and live there for over 6 month, and finally moving to UK = would this work at all ??

You would need the tenancy agreement or proof of ownership and a letter from parents.
Ideally proof of residence would be a recent council tax bill - are you on it even if it's addressed to your parents? If not, any letters from government agencies or NHS, etc.

- I do not have the tenancy agreement on my name, it should be on my parents name.
- Proof of residence, should be a list of the people living in the house
- Council Tax bill should also mention the members of residence
- The house is an association house , not owned.
- I need an inspection statement?? wonder where I get this wrong?

[SoHopeful]

Right, would this count if my partner is NOT a member of EAA countries (meaning she would require a visit visa) ??!
An example: I move to germany and start working, then she could come to germany with a tourist visa then I could marry her in Germany and live there for over 6 month, and finally moving to UK = would this work at all ??

You don't need to wait until you are working for her to join you. She can travel with you to Germany. Your fiance/wife can be with you as a visitor for up to 90 days I believe then you would need to register with the relevant agency for any length of stay beyond that.

You still need the tenancy agreement even if it isn't in your name.
An inspection report would help to prove that there is adequate space.

[Bucki]

You don't need to wait until you are working for her to join you. She can travel with you to Germany. Your fiance/wife can be with you as a visitor for up to 90 days I believe then you would need to register with the relevant agency for any length of stay beyond that.

You still need the tenancy agreement even if it isn't in your name.
An inspection report would help to prove that there is adequate space.

The issue is here: she cannot travel to places like, italy, germany, france etc etc, without a visa (tourist visa).
Her sister lives in germany, would she be alright to sent my *future* wife the visit visa ?!

Let's say, she is already in germany with her sister and I go to Germany too and marry her over there, right.
Would she not be required to leave germany and go back to her country - before I can make any further applications ?!

Not sure if ur understanding me ...

[Obie]

Yes Buki, those options you suggested above are open to you following your marriage.

[ALKB]

You don't need to wait until you are working for her to join you. She can travel with you to Germany. Your fiance/wife can be with you as a visitor for up to 90 days I believe then you would need to register with the relevant agency for any length of stay beyond that.

You still need the tenancy agreement even if it isn't in your name.
An inspection report would help to prove that there is adequate space.

The issue is here: she cannot travel to places like, italy, germany, france etc etc, without a visa (tourist visa).
Her sister lives in germany, would she be alright to sent my *future* wife the visit visa ?!

Let's say, she is already in germany with her sister and I go to Germany too and marry her over there, right.
Would she not be required to leave germany and go back to her country - before I can make any further applications ?!

Not sure if ur understanding me ...

Marrying a non-EEA national in Germany is a lengthy and expensive nightmare - not exactly illegal on a visit visa but also hardly possible to accomplish during the 90 day validity of such a visa.

I recommend Denmark.

Your future wife can visit her sister and since Denmark is part of Schengen there is no problem travelling to Denmark for a week or so to get married over there. I did that because fees and travel expenses were still much cheaper than trying to get married in Germany and we got the letter that we were fine to come to Denmark and register for marriage within two weeks while the German authorities gave no time frame apart from "at least a few months".

[Bucki]

Yes Buki, those options you suggested above are open to you following your marriage.

Not sure to which of my statement are you agreeing with?!
I am still not certain to whether that is possible ... etc.

[Bucki]

Marrying a non-EEA national in Germany is a lengthy and expensive nightmare - not exactly illegal on a visit visa but also hardly possible to accomplish during the 90 day validity of such a visa.

I recommend Denmark.

Your future wife can visit her sister and since Denmark is part of Schengen there is no problem travelling to Denmark for a week or so to get married over there. I did that because fees and travel expenses were still much cheaper than trying to get married in Germany and we got the letter that we were fine to come to Denmark and register for marriage within two weeks while the German authorities gave no time frame apart from "at least a few months".

Right, I guess your talking from your own experience??
Did you try to do the same thing in Germany .... but failed cos of them taking a long time, and expensive?!

Tho' if she applied for a tourist visa in Germany, they probably just provide a visa to Germany only and not a shengen visa, right?
Also, did you have to stay in Denmark and find work for 6-12 months .... ??
What happened next and what you did next, after you married her in Denmark ... ?!

[ALKB]

Marrying a non-EEA national in Germany is a lengthy and expensive nightmare - not exactly illegal on a visit visa but also hardly possible to accomplish during the 90 day validity of such a visa.

I recommend Denmark.

Your future wife can visit her sister and since Denmark is part of Schengen there is no problem travelling to Denmark for a week or so to get married over there. I did that because fees and travel expenses were still much cheaper than trying to get married in Germany and we got the letter that we were fine to come to Denmark and register for marriage within two weeks while the German authorities gave no time frame apart from "at least a few months".

Right, I guess your talking from your own experience??
Did you try to do the same thing in Germany .... but failed cos of them taking a long time, and expensive?!

Tho' if she applied for a tourist visa in Germany, they probably just provide a visa to Germany only and not a shengen visa, right?
Also, did you have to stay in Denmark and find work for 6-12 months .... ??
What happened next and what you did next, after you married her in Denmark ... ?!

A German tourist visa is a Schengen Visa, so she would be fine travelling within Schengen including Denmark.

I am German and did not have to go through Surinder Singh, as German spouse visa rules are actually quite reasonable. It was the act of getting married that was difficult. And yes, it is the same or worse if both parties are not German or even resident in Germany.

I met my husband when I was living in Switzerland. We applied to register for marriage there and were told that we had to bring a whole stack of documents and pay about 1200 Swiss Francs non-refundable fees for document verification as my husband is from a country where forged documents are widely available.

The Swiss authorities sent the documents to their Embassy in my husband's home country and checked every last detail including interviewing family and friends.

Unfortunately, there was a discrepancy in the hand-written ledger from the 1970's where his birth was registered at the time and the rest of his documents. After four months we received a rejection of our application.

By then it was time for me to leave Switzerland as my work contract had come to an end and I enquired with the German authorities about marrying my fiancé, since by then the mistake in the ledger had been corrected. The German process was exactly the same as the Swiss one and we simply did not have the time to go through it, as his student visa and his Schengen visa were due to expire soon. We were also afraid to lose again the document verification fee - one never knows what might come up over there!

The process is slightly different for every country - easier and quicker for countries like Australia and the USA and very complicated and slow for other countries.

My cousin had married in Denmark - a lot of Germans do that, even without immigration issues to battle - and told me that their process is very simple and the same for all nationalities.

We called the Danish Embassy, got a phone number of a town near the German border, called, had them send a form to us (I think now you can download that), filled it in, sent it back and two weeks later we had a letter saying that we are welcome to come to the town hall on any given Monday at 9am with all original documents we had sent copies of and our passports. We would then have to "reside" in the community for the week, wedding ceremonies would be held on Friday.

My husband had a French Schengen visa at the time, which was fine for getting married.

Fees were about 75 Euro (or rather the equivalent in Danish Crowns) plus travel expenses, food and accommodation. Still less expensive than mere document verification in Germany! And we had a bit of a holiday at the same time

The marriage certificate comes in several languages including German and English, which was very convenient as we never had to have it translated so far.

This is where I got married:

http://www.toender.dk/Borger/In-English/Marriage.aspx

There are companies that organise everything for you in a package deal, in all sorts of romantic locations in Denmark, just google around a bit.

Bottom line - if your wife gets a German Schengen visa, there shouldn't be a problem getting married in Denmark (provided you did a bit of planning beforehand, you could even send all your documents to Denmark while you are in the UK and your fiancée is still abroad, they don't ask for her visa until you are at the town hall in Denmark for registration) and returning to Germany to then apply for her residence card there. The German authorities don't kick up a fuss regarding residence cards as long as you make your appointment in a timely manner and have the few documents you need for the application.

The trickier bit for you might be to find a job and to satisfy the UK "centre of life" rules in order to return to the UK using the SS route.

Where in Germany does your future wife's sister live?

[Bucki]

UPDATE

Here I am , back again - for more questions and concerns
Firstly, I want to thank ALL OF YOU who took their time to help and advise me in any kind of way.

I really mean it, THANK YOU SO MUCH

Now, here we go ...

I recently started work and got my 1st payslip about £1500 per month, which I cannot use, sadly.
However, I realized that with "bonus", I can add another £100 per month, which would be then £1600 each month.

Now, from the point of the payslips, yep I am confident that I can make at minimum £1550 each month.
So, from February until July, there will be 6 month worth of payslips - sufficient enough right.

Tho', I do not have any kind of permanent contract! Matter of fact, I am an a 3month probation contract.

It is most likely that after 3 month, they will extend it to another 3 month ... then after for 6 month, then 12month.
Unfortunately, I won't have a proper work (permanent) contract, whereas I "might" be able to get some kind of letter from HR stating my starting date, rate per hour, any possible bonus rate (bonus rate depends how fast u work, as it is a warehouse job).

Hope this won't be an issue ... regards to "not" having a contract. but yeh.. moving on.

Accommodation: I do not own a house/flat neither rent a flat. Actually, I do live at my parents! My mom not being able to work & my dad the carer and I have my own room (big enough for a double bed actually). I do not pay bills nor council tax.

You may wonder, well you are working - so why not paying council tax ?!
I been in touch with HM Revenue and due to my mum's disability etc etc etc. basically, I do not have to pay as I do not own the house, as I only share / live in one of the rooms. Of course, my name is still in the Council Tax list, right.

So, now question is: - will the decision maker ask for any "bills, council tax" !?

I was under the impression that all it was required is to have a adequate room / accommodation without having to proof that you own / rent it or pay bills at the address. Please correct me if I am wrong

Documents about the accommodation:

- Council Tax, stating my parents name and my name on it
- and there is nothing else I could provide. What else ?!



WHAT IF ALL THIS FAILS ??

I had a thought of moving to Ireland, find a job + rent a place.
After 3 months (I been told) I am able to make an application at the Ireland Embassy (back home) for my spouse to join me.
Is is called a RESIDENCE VISA or something ??

Not sure, how long she is entitled to stay in Ireland with it or if she can apply for British passport then?!

I have not much information about the Ireland route ... please give me some guidance.


My head is EVERYWHERE, I am lost to be fair.

Would appreciate any advice from you guys.


THANKS

[Bucki]

PLSSSSS ADVICE

[Rayking]

That info that you can't use 1500 isn't 100% correct. If you're in non salaried employment, your income can fluctuate and as long as you have 9300 in 6 months,you will be fine for application without any kid.
As for contract, it doesn't really matter,all you need is a letter stating what your income is in 6 months and what the annual will be base on that,the job type,if it's permanent or temporary and such. The letter is very important that if you can't get it,stating what they want, an application can be refused.

Accommodation, doesn't matter if you live with your parents, all they need to do is provide a letter stating they're happy to have you in there,with evidence that the house is theres,if you think the place might be overcrowded, you can do an inspection report of the house,otherwise it's not compulsory. You don't need to pay tax or any bills,all that has no effect on your application.

That second option? It's not as straightforward as you're being told.
I personally think you're on the right track if finances is sorted out.

[Bucki]

That info that you can't use 1500 isn't 100% correct. If you're in non salaried employment, your income can fluctuate and as long as you have 9300 in 6 months,you will be fine for application without any kid.

Are you saying, first payslip is valid?!
How sure are you about this ?!

I asked a solicitor and he said "they will take the lowest rate from any of your slips and multiply by 12, if it is below 18.600 then they will have a reason to refuse your application".

He said, get 6 month with payslips over £1550 per month and come to me ; then we make online application alongside the documents with a total price of £700 for the service. I asked if that price includes the visa application fee, and he said "yes"

Tho' I am confused, cos I thought spouse visa application fee is round £800.00 something or even more.

As for contract, it doesn't really matter,all you need is a letter stating what your income is in 6 months and what the annual will be base on that,the job type,if it's permanent or temporary and such. The letter is very important that if you can't get it,stating what they want, an application can be refused.

I won't be able to get a proper contract, but rather a letter from HR stating: starting date, pay rate, temp. status,

Accommodation, doesn't matter if you live with your parents, all they need to do is provide a letter stating they're happy to have you in there,with evidence that the house is theres,if you think the place might be overcrowded, you can do an inspection report of the house,otherwise it's not compulsory. You don't need to pay tax or any bills,all that has no effect on your application.

I am still afraid tho because one of the guys (where I live) also lived with his parents who were on incapacity benefit, and yet he been told that he needed his own place to bring his wife over.

My Solicitor also said, we need a letter from landlord or the housing association to say "yes she is fine to live there". My parents do not own the place, they rent it from Chevin Housing Association. So i guess, I need a letter from them ...

I am able to show the council tax letter stating all of our names and then a letter from the Cheving Housing Association.
There is nothing else, I am able to provide. Not sure if this is sufficient.

You know, I want to make sure I got all what is required as I dont want my app. to be refused, as this would take over 1 year.
And really, it would be a disaster for me and for my wife waiting back home.


mmmm I dont know, I am just afraid.

[Rayking]

I'm not being funny,but you've got a choice either to believe your solicitor or me. I got the information here,used it and it worked.
He's right if you're in salaried employment but wrong if it's non salaried. Non salaried employment is if you're paid hourly for the job you do which I believe it's the case.
As per your accommodation, if your parents own the house, you obviously can use it provided they can give you the documents you'll need.
But if you're worried about that,well get a new place,there's no one way to it and people have used different methods to get the same result.
"Total price of 700" hmmm,you've got to get the information clear,I reckon he's charging you 700 for the service............... something you should be able to do on your own?don't you trust in your ability.
Don't get me wrong,if there's an issue, like overstaying or stuffs like that,you might need a lawyer but if it's straight forward application why that,in fact get another lawyer,this one is trying to play fast one on you I think.
If you want to be sure,ask the lawyer how much is charging you for the service,not application fee.
You should sit down and read too,get the facts straight, if anything isn't clear to you,ask questions.
It's not the best when people have to tell you everything, sorry to say but........you can do this on your own bro.

[Obie]

PLSSSSS ADVICE

Please don't type in upper cases or bold.

Normal lower cases will be most appropriate.

[Bucki]

I'm not being funny,but you've got a choice either to believe your solicitor or me. I got the information here,used it and it worked. He's right if you're in salaried employment but wrong if it's non salaried. Non salaried employment is if you're paid hourly for the job you do which I believe it's the case.

Well yeh, I am on non-salaried: meaning, if I work overtime - I get more ... and plus if getting more job done, then I get weekly bonus, so therefore we can agree that I am definite on non-salaried payment. Where did you read that, in regards non-salaried payslips can be used even if it below £1550 ?!

As per your accommodation, if your parents own the house, you obviously can use it provided they can give you the documents you'll need.

My parents , do not OWN the house, they rent it. They are on incapacity benefit. This should not matter, or am I wrong ?!
I can provide documents that I am on the list of the council tax, as well as a letter from my parents or / and a letter from the housing association that another person is able to live in my room. Are these two documents sufficient!?

But if you're worried about that,well get a new place,there's no one way to it and people have used different methods to get the same result.

I would rather want to know if I can proceed with the application while I live here, at my parents place?!

"Total price of 700" hmmm,you've got to get the information clear,I reckon he's charging you 700 for the service............... something you should be able to do on your own?don't you trust in your ability.

Yes, indeed he is charging £700 for getting the documents together + filling out the application form online + print
I am quite able to do the application myself, provided I manage to gather all the documents that are required.

Fact, I got most of the documents, eg: payslips, bank statement, marriage certificate, our contact with her (photos, holiday pictures, conversation, calls via viber) and then the last things is the accommodation documents; and that is the part that I am not quite sure about ... in regards the required documents. Since I can get only 2 docs: (as said) Council Tax list + letter from landlord stating that another person is happy to live here.

... if there's an issue, like overstaying or stuffs like that,you might need a lawyer but if it's straight forward application why that,in fact get another lawyer,this one is trying to play fast one on you I think.

It would be a spouse visa application, so the matter about "overstaying" is not valid.
My aim is to bring her here and move on ...

You should sit down and read too,get the facts straight, if anything isn't clear to you,ask questions.
It's not the best when people have to tell you everything, sorry to say but........you can do this on your own bro.

I read stuff my friend, is not that I am expecting you to do my job.
But since I got worries and questions, hence the reason being here ... right ?!

Maybe you already went through all this procedure, and you might have much more experience in this?!

[Rayking]

Ok,let's treat the financial requirement first,if you look at page 19 of financial requirement
Case study 5.1.7,Example C,you'll realise that anyhow you divide it,it's not going to be 1550 for the last month of the application.
I sponsored my girlfriend and one of my payslips wasn't 1550 if that will make it clearer,but with the same employer.
About accommodation, if housing association can give you the letter,that's good. Get the letter from housing association and then let your parents too write a letter explaining they're happy to have you live with them.
To avoid question about overcrowding, you or may be your parent can ring up council in your area for immigration inspection report, the room must be big enough for 2 of you,they'll measure it and confirm there won't be overcrowding should your wife moves in,but if the room isn't big enough and it's stated there will be overcrowding, you can't use it.
Pls note:inspection report isn't compulsory, it's just to put your mind at rest as you can't predict any joker eco can come up with.
Don't forget tenancy agreement too,you'll need to include that.
When you've got everything, let's look at it together before sending it. I really believe you can get it done rather than paying 700,best of luck.

[Bucki]

Ok,let's treat the financial requirement first,if you look at page 19 of financial requirement
Case study 5.1.7,Example C,you'll realise that anyhow you divide it,it's not going to be 1550 for the last month of the application.
I sponsored my girlfriend and one of my payslips wasn't 1550 if that will make it clearer,but with the same employer.

Haaah you made my day my friend
indeed, in page 19 case study C - explains it well, so yeh I can use my first payslip, provided the rest of my other 5 is at least 1570 each month. haaaahhh damn, thanks for pointing this out at me bro.

About accommodation, if housing association can give you the letter,that's good. Get the letter from housing association and then let your parents too write a letter explaining they're happy to have you live with them.

A letter from my parents, is the easiest bit *lol*
and a letter from the housing association, I do not think they would have any objections .. why would they, my room is big enough. Matter of fact, my parents room is same size as my room, and fits double bed easily.

To avoid question about overcrowding, you or may be your parent can ring up council in your area for immigration inspection report, the room must be big enough for 2 of you,they'll measure it and confirm there won't be overcrowding should your wife moves in,but if the room isn't big enough and it's stated there will be overcrowding, you can't use it.

this is a point I will have to find out, if my local council do provide such a document as "immigration inspection report".

Don't forget tenancy agreement too,you'll need to include that.

We got the very first tendancy agreement, stating all our names, including my youngest brother who used to live here but not anymore ... was long time ago. So , would you suggest, we need new tenancy agreement ?!

Or will the tenancy agreement state only my parents name on it, (mmm I think so!!)

When you've got everything, let's look at it together before sending it. I really believe you can get it done rather than paying 700,best of luck.

Yeh, it is just a matter of getting all the documents required, and filling out the online application is just following instructions.
From what I read is that, all the bank statements + payslips need to be stamped and signed by senior officials.

I got online payslips and not hard copy !!
I would guess, i would have to print them, and have them signed + stamped by HR people?!

Oh last but not least, all the documents CANNOT be dated earlier then 28 days before the application date itself, right??

Gathering all together, this is what I would need:

- Contract or even a letter from HR, stating the salary, pay rate, start date and the status
- last 6 month of payslips (stamped and signed)
- last 6 month of bank statement (stamped and signed by bank with headed letter)
- Letter from housing association stating the permission of another person to live with us (does it need to mention her name?)
- Letter from parents to grand permission of her to live here
- Council Tax letter , stating our names (myself, brother + both parents)
- Tenancy agreement

- Marriage certificate
- proof of our relationship - pictures . photos of us in holiday and from our engagement + marriage events.
- proof of our relationship - messages we talked on viber or facebook, phone calls via viber (since it is free).
- Birth certificate (hers and mine???)

I also got about 13K in my saving account which I have saved from various sources, cash in hand work ... or even from student loans etc. So, yeh, I know i need 16k minimum to declare as saving.

Not sure if it is worth mentioning them at all??
Or rather not, as they might want to know "where I got it from.." and mos of that money was from student maintenance loan.


Thanks alot

[Bucki]

By the way ...

would the pregnancy of my wife speed up the UK Spouse Application process ???


Would appreciate if you guys can answer some of the questions / doubts I have in the above message.


THANKS