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poverty rate in the U.S. goes to 13%

Post by Administrator » Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:07 pm

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Just stunning.

The current population of the United States is a bit over 300,000,000. Probably about 305 million or less since the 300 million mark happened last October sometime:

US population 300 million on Tuesday, 17 October, 2006
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006_10_ ... illion.htm

There have been a few questions about how much money a person needs to make in the U.S. to be able to live there ... and how much an immigrant needs to show the government to demonstrate the ability to support themselves and any dependents.

This article will give some guidelines:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/oneworld/45361528041188602495

[ EDIT : I found the article originally at the above URL, but yahoo news expires every week or two. The original article was published here:
http://us.oneworld.net/article/view/152804/1/ ]
U.S. Poverty Data Raise New Questions About Cost of War
Haider Rizvi, OneWorld US Fri Aug 31, 6:19 PM ET

NEW YORK, Aug 31 (OneWorld) - It is one of the most affluent countries in the world, but sill millions of people in the United States find it very difficult to put a nice meal on their dinner table.

Nationwide, more than 36 million people, or nearly 13 percent of the total population, lived in poverty last year, according to the U.S. Census Bureau report released this week.

Among those officially considered "poor," over one third are children, most of them non-white minorities such as African Americans, Latinos, and Asians.

The data reveals continued inequality and concentration of wealth in the United States, with the top 20 percent of households receiving over 50 percent of the nation's income, while the lowest 20 percent got just a little over 3 percent.

"The impact of race, ethnicity, and gender is extremely disturbing," notes Roberta Spivek of the American Friends Service Committee (AFSC), a Quaker organization involved in numerous campaigns for economic and social rights.

According to the data, more than 8 percent of non-Hispanic whites, about 10 percent of Asians, over 20 percent of Hispanics, and some 24 percent of African Americans are "poor."

Although the Hispanic poverty rate went down by about 1 percent last year, African Americans and non-White Hispanics are still about three times more likely than whites to be poor.

Single mothers figure among the nation's poor who suffer the most. "Being a single mother has an alarming effect," Spivek noted, reflecting on the gender-specific aspect of the numbers.

The data shows that more than 28 percent of women raising their children without husbands are condemned to suffer from poverty. Those married but impoverished are estimated to be around 5 percent.

The official poverty threshold in 2006, which many experts believe to be too low, was $20,614 for a family of four, about $16,000 for a family of three, around $13,000 for a family of two and a little over $10,000 for an individual.

Last year, according to the census report, about 47 million Americans had no access to health insurance. Once again, official figures suggest that most of those who lack health care are individuals and families from non-white minorities.

In Spivek's analysis, Hispanics, American Indians, and Alaska natives are three times more likely than whites to lack access to medical care.

Noting that currently the U.S. government spends about $720 million a day on the war in Iraq, Joyce Miller, a human rights activist associated with AFSC, said that amount could buy school lunch for 1 million children.

With that money, according to her, the government could also provide over 400,000 children with health care.

Recent studies point out that over 23 million Americans seek emergency food each year. According to a study carried out by the California-based Institute for Food and Development Policy, about 13 million American children worry where their next meal is coming from "because their parents do not earn enough to pay for food, rent, heat, health care, and transportation."

The AFSC figures on the Iraq war are based on a statistical analysis done by Nobel Prize-winning economists Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes of Harvard University.

Their analysis includes $410 billion in Iraq supplemental funding bills, $160 billion embedded in the Pentagon's annual budget, $290 billion for Iraq veterans' medical expenditures, and $191 billion in interest on the war debt.

"America's shameful poverty rate should lead every one to ask how we want to spend our tax dollars," said Miller, "on war or on education, health care, job training, and affordable housing?"

"Reducing poverty is not rocket science. We can go a long way by investing in education, health care, job training, and housing," she added.

In collaboration with a number of human rights groups, AFSC has led calls for a substantial increase in the minimum wage. It claims to have generated more than 100,000 phone calls to Congress in the last two years.

The phone call campaign helped encourage Congress' passage earlier this year of the first minimum wage raise in a decade. Many groups note, however, that even at the new rate, the federal minimum wage has failed to keep pace with inflation, and today's lowest-wage earning workers are worse off than those who earned minimum wage salaries decades ago.

AFSC and other humanitarian groups are now campaigning to make the minimum wage a true "living wage" and to increase human needs spending in the federal budget. But President George W. Bush has threatened to veto those increases by reasoning that the nation "can't afford it," according to AFSC.

In urging the Congress to adopt the human needs spending bills, the AFSC's Spivek said the nation should spend $720 million a day on ending poverty, not on war.

"It's a question of political will and citizens' action," she added in a statement. "It's a question of redirecting our resources away from war and tax breaks for the highest-income households, towards the common good."
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Post by yankeegirl » Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:12 pm

The official poverty threshold in 2006, which many experts believe to be too low, was $20,614 for a family of four, about $16,000 for a family of three, around $13,000 for a family of two and a little over $10,000 for an individual.
For anyone looking to move to the US and trying to estimate finances, definitely shoot for numbers higher than these. I have long felt that the poverty threshold was way to low and out of touch with reality.

Before i moved to the UK, I lived in a suburb of Denver. Not exactly cheap, but the cost of living is definitely not as high as places like NY. I made about $33,000 at was a single mom with 1 child. According to that, my income was more than double the poverty threshold for a family of 2, yet I felt poor lol. My car was paid off, my rent was reasonable, yet I paid through the nose for healthcare and childcare. I busted my mule and had pretty much nothing to show for it. This was in 2003; I can only imagine how much worse it's gotten since I left. I mean, the war is still going strong and Bush is still running the show :roll:

I have to say that article really made me both sad and angry. But, thanks for posting it, there's some good info in there!

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Post by jes2jes » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:22 pm

yankeegirl wrote:
The official poverty threshold in 2006, which many experts believe to be too low, was $20,614 for a family of four, about $16,000 for a family of three, around $13,000 for a family of two and a little over $10,000 for an individual.
For anyone looking to move to the US and trying to estimate finances, definitely shoot for numbers higher than these. I have long felt that the poverty threshold was way to low and out of touch with reality.

Before i moved to the UK, I lived in a suburb of Denver. Not exactly cheap, but the cost of living is definitely not as high as places like NY. I made about $33,000 at was a single mom with 1 child. According to that, my income was more than double the poverty threshold for a family of 2, yet I felt poor lol. My car was paid off, my rent was reasonable, yet I paid through the nose for healthcare and childcare. I busted my mule and had pretty much nothing to show for it. This was in 2003; I can only imagine how much worse it's gotten since I left. I mean, the war is still going strong and Bush is still running the show :roll:

I have to say that article really made me both sad and angry. But, thanks for posting it, there's some good info in there!
So, comparing your life in the UK now to what it used to be in the US in 2003, can you say that, you are better off economically moving over here?

What indicators are you using in answering yes or no?

Many thanks. Asking this because I am considering a move to the US in the near future. :lol:
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Post by yankeegirl » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:26 pm

Well, looking at my personal circumstances, I would have to say that I am better off in the UK financially.

I just want to preface this that everyone's experiences are vastly different so don't go on just what I say lol. I love the US, and it can be a great place, but for me the UK is a better fit. Now on to why...

HEALTHCARE!!!!!!! I know everyone likes to complain about the NHS, even with all of its faults I feel so fortunate to have it. There's too much other shit in life to worry about; I like knowing that if my husband, daughter or I are ill we can just call up and make an appointment to see the doctor and no worries about where the money to go is going to come from. When I was 22 I had to quit a state job that I loved because our health insurance premiums were going up and I could afford it. I had to go find a different job where I could afford the health care. (It was going up from around $150/month for my daughter and I to over $400/month, along with an increase in copays from $20/visit to $50). I was briefly without insurance at 21 and in that period I had my first daughter 12 weeks early by emergency section. She had a 9 week initial stay in ICU and then specialists and so on afterwards. Medicaid didn't cover all of her bills and I was left with around $40,000 or so in debt. All before age 25! I'll shut up now because I could go on forever about what's wrong with the US healthcare system lol.

Transportation. In most places in the US a car is pretty much a necessity. Unless you are in a major city like New York, public transport can be spotty at best. Petrol in the US is cheap by European standards, but you will probably drive more, and longer distances, so it balances out somewhat. I don't have a car here, and have no need for one. I live a couple of miles outside of the city center, and the bus service in my area runs every 10 min during the day and it's only £1.70 for an all day pass.

Converting $ to £ I pay approximately the same for rent here that I paid in the US. The difference is I was renting a fairly small 2 bdrm apartment in the US with no washing machine or dryer so I had to pay to do my laundry and here I'm renting a 3 bedroom house with a front and back yard and a garage. Also, in Northern Ireland we don't pay for water (yet).

Childcare. Childcare in the UK is as expensive as it is in the US, but the UK has the childcare element of the tax credits program. I've just started looking into it but it seems to be a better program. In Colorado, (these programs are done by the State so each state has different criteria) you couldn't make much about the poverty level. The bar was set low financially so many families that really needed the help were ineligible because they made too much money. Your family income in the UK can be higher and you can still qualify for some childcare help.

Overall, my quality of life in general is better over here. I love the work to live mentality as opposed to the live to work. And I still cannot get over the standard vacation time over here! My husband gets I think 26 days a year, and that seems to be the norm. My last job before I moved, I got a week. People there 5 years or more got two weeks.

But the thing to keep in mind is that there are so many variables to think about. What type of job you could get there, the pay, the benefits, and what area of the US you are looking to move to. I've lived in % different states and it varies widely from place to place. I don't want to put you off because I do truly love it there, and really miss it, but just because it wasn't the best for me doesn't mean it won't be for you. :)

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Post by Administrator » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:43 pm

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What yankeegirl said. She's spot-on all points (although I can't personally comment on child care).

Transportation: plan on buying a car. Maybe two. Plus all the insurance necessary. Almost nowhere in the entire country can you plan on using public transportation .. its anathema to the entire consumeconsumeconsume credo.


The city you go to and the job you get in the local economy will determine a LOT about your experience.


I'll emphasize: Healthcare in the U.S. is complete bitch (and, boy do I want to use a dictionary full of other unprintable words instead of that one). I went without for six years because I couldn't afford it.

I was lucky .. never got sick enough to need it. But I did have to suffer through a couple of pretty serious bouts and just take care of myself through sleep and good diet & good sense. Did I mention 'lucky,' too?

Until I broke my foot. After nearly $10,000 in bills, I still have a gimp foot because of the incompetent twit masquerading as a so-called 'medical professional.'

I've had better care in Latvia for about 20 quid.

Dental in the U.S. is the same. Can't get affordable insurance for it and the dentists generally are calculating how much money they're getting from you, not any serious attention to what you need. I had a LOT of unnecessary work done over the years so they could gouge the insurance. In addition to my deductibles.

I get similar treatment in Latvia, but for 10% of the price. Broke a front tooth & crowned it in porcelain for 100 quid. The same crown in the U.S. would have run about $2500 in 2003, minimum, AND insurance wouldn't have covered it because it was an accident.

Watch Micheal Moore's "Sicko" to get an idea of just how pathetic the system is.


Beyond that, I just got fed up with Americans. The whole attitude is more or less variations of George Bush's behavior. The world exists as their personal slush fund .. take what they want, when they want it, crap on whoever wherever they want, and everyone else can talk to off.

You'll find some Americans that are not like that .. but they're exceptions, not the rule.

Investigate carefully where you are interested in. With the economy tanking the way it is right now, tensions are going to be high. If you're in the money, you'll have "friends."

If not, it's a lonesome haul.

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Post by darko » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:47 am

I'm Russian living in the USA. Got BS&MS in IT here. Making 75k now. I didn't have a lot of health problems, but I've always been insured with my student insurance or job insurance.

You can get in biiiiiiiiiiiiiig trouble if you're not insured and get health problems. Healthcare system here is nice but ridiculously overpriced when it should be free!

What makes me angry is that poorer people are actually a lot more screwed, because they are more likely to have health problems and with part time jobs they often have no healthcare benefit and they can never recover properly once they get ill.

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