P60 not submitted, UK Spouse Visa

[philemon_bodiba]

hi guys.

My wife and dependent child had applied to come and join me in the UK. However, I've not sent my 2013-2014 p60 showing gross amount of £23600 to her to submit as part of the application.
The application is made under Category B, I've earned £24900 gross in the 12 months prior to the date of application and my letter of employment show that I earn approximately £23600 gross per annum, this figure is taken from the p60 I've mentioned above. I was of the idea that a p60 is not a required docmument until came across other people's refusals in forums like this one for failing to include a p60 with their application.

Could the absence of a p60 in my wife's application be a ground for refusal?

Looking forward to hearing from you, guys..

Thanks..

[physicskate]

hi guys.

My wife and dependent child had applied to come and join me in the UK. However, I've not sent my 2013-2014 p60 showing gross amount of £23600 to her to submit as part of the application.
The application is made under Category B, I've earned £24900 gross in the 12 months prior to the date of application and my letter of employment show that I earn approximately £23600 gross per annum, this figure is taken from the p60 I've mentioned above. I was of the idea that a p60 is not a required docmument until came across other people's refusals in forums like this one for failing to include a p60 with their application.

Could the absence of a p60 in my wife's application be a ground for refusal?

Looking forward to hearing from you, guys..

Thanks..

Why would it be an issue? Category B does not require any P60s.

[philemon_bodiba]

hi guys.

My wife and dependent child had applied to come and join me in the UK. However, I've not sent my 2013-2014 p60 showing gross amount of £23600 to her to submit as part of the application.
The application is made under Category B, I've earned £24900 gross in the 12 months prior to the date of application and my letter of employment show that I earn approximately £23600 gross per annum, this figure is taken from the p60 I've mentioned above. I was of the idea that a p60 is not a required docmument until came across other people's refusals in forums like this one for failing to include a p60 with their application.

Could the absence of a p60 in my wife's application be a ground for refusal?

Looking forward to hearing from you, guys..

Thanks..

Why would it be an issue? Category B does not require any P60s.

Thanks for replying.

Could you please tell me why Cat B doesn't need a p60, and why there had been refusals for failing to submit it?

Thanks..

[physicskate]

Could you please tell me why Cat B doesn't need a p60, and why there had been refusals for failing to submit it?

Thanks..

Seems like you have all the answers without assistance. If you think the P60 is required for Cat B and you didn't submit it with your application, why are you asking other people's opinions?

Requirements for Cat B:
"First, where the applicant’s partner and/or the applicant (if they are in the UK with permission to work) is in salaried employment at the date of application and has been with the same employer, or earning the amount relied upon, for less than the last 6 months, they can count the gross annual salary at the date of application towards the financial requirement. There is no required minimum period for this current employment, provided that the requirements for specified evidence under paragraph 2 of Appendix FM-SE can be met in respect of it."

P60s are only produced once annually. How does that prove your income for the previous 12 months? I could see it being helpful if you apply in, say, April just after you have received the P60, but it does not prove your income for the 12 months before your application in January. You getting argumentative with me is a stupid idea mate.

For the calculation:
" The only difference in Category B between salaried and non-salaried employment is how gross annual salary or employment income at the date of application is calculated:
Where the person is in salaried employment – the level of gross annual salary will be as at the date of application. This must be evidenced by the latest payslip or the signed contract of employment (if a payslip does not provide this information).
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Where the person is in non-salaried employment – the level of gross annual employment income relied upon in the application can be no greater than the annual equivalent of the person’s average gross monthly income from non-salaried employment in the 6 months prior to the date of application, regardless of whether that employment was held throughout that period. The calculation will include all non-salaried employment undertaken during that 6 month period, and will be calculated over that 6 month period regardless of how much of that period was spent in employment.
To calculate this annualised average for non-salaried employment in Category B the following calculation should be used:
(Total gross income from non-salaried employment undertaken during the 6 month period, divided by 6) multiplied by 12 = Income from non-salaried employment that can be counted towards the financial requirement.
5.3.8. If necessary to meet the level of the financial requirement applicable to the application, the applicant can add to this:
 The gross amount of any specified non-employment income received by the applicant’s partner, the applicant or both jointly in the 12 months prior to the application, provided they continue to own the relevant asset (e.g. property, interest from shares) at the date of application; (irrelevant info omitted).
5.3.9. Second, the person must in addition have received in the 12 months prior to the date of application the level of income required to meet the financial requirement, based on:
 The gross amount of salaried or non-salaried employment income of the applicant’s partner (in the UK or overseas) and/or the applicant (if they are in the UK with permission to work);
 The gross amount of any specified non-employment income received by the applicant’s partner, the applicant or both jointly, provided they continue to own the relevant asset (e.g. property, interest from shares) at the date of application; and/or
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 The gross amount of any State (UK or foreign) or private pension received by the applicant’s partner or the applicant.
5.3.10. So, under Category B, the assessment of the financial requirement is based on:
(1) The gross annual salary or income from salaried or non-salaried employment at the date of application. This source can be combined with Category C: non-employment income, Category D: cash savings and Category E: pension; and
(2) The actual amount of gross income received from any salaried or non-salaried employment in the 12 months prior to the application. "

Gross annual salary 12 months before MOST applications will be proven with pay slips NOT P60s (as stated previously, unless the application is submitted within 28 days of receiving your P60).

NAME ONE APPLICATION REFUSED ON THIS BASIS.

[Rayking]

Could you please tell me why Cat B doesn't need a p60, and why there had been refusals for failing to submit it?

Thanks..

Seems like you have all the answers without assistance. If you think the P60 is required for Cat B and you didn't submit it with your application, why are you asking other people's opinions?

Requirements for Cat B:
"First, where the applicant’s partner and/or the applicant (if they are in the UK with permission to work) is in salaried employment at the date of application and has been with the same employer, or earning the amount relied upon, for less than the last 6 months, they can count the gross annual salary at the date of application towards the financial requirement. There is no required minimum period for this current employment, provided that the requirements for specified evidence under paragraph 2 of Appendix FM-SE can be met in respect of it."

P60s are only produced once annually. How does that prove your income for the previous 12 months? I could see it being helpful if you apply in, say, April just after you have received the P60, but it does not prove your income for the 12 months before your application in January. You getting argumentative with me is a stupid idea mate.

For the calculation:
" The only difference in Category B between salaried and non-salaried employment is how gross annual salary or employment income at the date of application is calculated:
Where the person is in salaried employment – the level of gross annual salary will be as at the date of application. This must be evidenced by the latest payslip or the signed contract of employment (if a payslip does not provide this information).
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Where the person is in non-salaried employment – the level of gross annual employment income relied upon in the application can be no greater than the annual equivalent of the person’s average gross monthly income from non-salaried employment in the 6 months prior to the date of application, regardless of whether that employment was held throughout that period. The calculation will include all non-salaried employment undertaken during that 6 month period, and will be calculated over that 6 month period regardless of how much of that period was spent in employment.
To calculate this annualised average for non-salaried employment in Category B the following calculation should be used:
(Total gross income from non-salaried employment undertaken during the 6 month period, divided by 6) multiplied by 12 = Income from non-salaried employment that can be counted towards the financial requirement.
5.3.8. If necessary to meet the level of the financial requirement applicable to the application, the applicant can add to this:
 The gross amount of any specified non-employment income received by the applicant’s partner, the applicant or both jointly in the 12 months prior to the application, provided they continue to own the relevant asset (e.g. property, interest from shares) at the date of application; (irrelevant info omitted).
5.3.9. Second, the person must in addition have received in the 12 months prior to the date of application the level of income required to meet the financial requirement, based on:
 The gross amount of salaried or non-salaried employment income of the applicant’s partner (in the UK or overseas) and/or the applicant (if they are in the UK with permission to work);
 The gross amount of any specified non-employment income received by the applicant’s partner, the applicant or both jointly, provided they continue to own the relevant asset (e.g. property, interest from shares) at the date of application; and/or
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 The gross amount of any State (UK or foreign) or private pension received by the applicant’s partner or the applicant.
5.3.10. So, under Category B, the assessment of the financial requirement is based on:
(1) The gross annual salary or income from salaried or non-salaried employment at the date of application. This source can be combined with Category C: non-employment income, Category D: cash savings and Category E: pension; and
(2) The actual amount of gross income received from any salaried or non-salaried employment in the 12 months prior to the application. "

Gross annual salary 12 months before MOST applications will be proven with pay slips NOT P60s (as stated previously, unless the application is submitted within 28 days of receiving your P60).

NAME ONE APPLICATION REFUSED ON THIS BASIS.

Kudos to you for taken your time to write this! Unfortunately, the OP lacks manners,he did the same to me for trying to help. I mean I marvel at some upbringing!
I just wonder why he couldn't take his case to a lawyer and then insult the lawyer in order to pass his message across.

Honestly, people just try to be civil on here,it's not that people are stupid to respond when dealing with someone like this OP!

[physicskate]

Kudos to you for taken your time to write this! Unfortunately, the OP lacks manners,he did the same to me for trying to help. I mean I marvel at some upbringing!
I just wonder why he couldn't take his case to a lawyer and then insult the lawyer in order to pass his message across.

Honestly, people just try to be civil on here,it's not that people are stupid to respond when dealing with someone like this OP!

Copy, paste!

I do understand the anxiety associated with visa applications, but no point thinking you will be refused for not including a document AND THEN not including it! That is silly....

[philemon_bodiba]

Could you please tell me why Cat B doesn't need a p60, and why there had been refusals for failing to submit it?

Thanks..

Seems like you have all the answers without assistance. If you think the P60 is required for Cat B and you didn't submit it with your application, why are you asking other people's opinions?

Requirements for Cat B:
"First, where the applicant’s partner and/or the applicant (if they are in the UK with permission to work) is in salaried employment at the date of application and has been with the same employer, or earning the amount relied upon, for less than the last 6 months, they can count the gross annual salary at the date of application towards the financial requirement. There is no required minimum period for this current employment, provided that the requirements for specified evidence under paragraph 2 of Appendix FM-SE can be met in respect of it."

P60s are only produced once annually. How does that prove your income for the previous 12 months? I could see it being helpful if you apply in, say, April just after you have received the P60, but it does not prove your income for the 12 months before your application in January. You getting argumentative with me is a stupid idea mate.

For the calculation:
" The only difference in Category B between salaried and non-salaried employment is how gross annual salary or employment income at the date of application is calculated:
Where the person is in salaried employment – the level of gross annual salary will be as at the date of application. This must be evidenced by the latest payslip or the signed contract of employment (if a payslip does not provide this information).
23
Where the person is in non-salaried employment – the level of gross annual employment income relied upon in the application can be no greater than the annual equivalent of the person’s average gross monthly income from non-salaried employment in the 6 months prior to the date of application, regardless of whether that employment was held throughout that period. The calculation will include all non-salaried employment undertaken during that 6 month period, and will be calculated over that 6 month period regardless of how much of that period was spent in employment.
To calculate this annualised average for non-salaried employment in Category B the following calculation should be used:
(Total gross income from non-salaried employment undertaken during the 6 month period, divided by 6) multiplied by 12 = Income from non-salaried employment that can be counted towards the financial requirement.
5.3.8. If necessary to meet the level of the financial requirement applicable to the application, the applicant can add to this:
 The gross amount of any specified non-employment income received by the applicant’s partner, the applicant or both jointly in the 12 months prior to the application, provided they continue to own the relevant asset (e.g. property, interest from shares) at the date of application; (irrelevant info omitted).
5.3.9. Second, the person must in addition have received in the 12 months prior to the date of application the level of income required to meet the financial requirement, based on:
 The gross amount of salaried or non-salaried employment income of the applicant’s partner (in the UK or overseas) and/or the applicant (if they are in the UK with permission to work);
 The gross amount of any specified non-employment income received by the applicant’s partner, the applicant or both jointly, provided they continue to own the relevant asset (e.g. property, interest from shares) at the date of application; and/or
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 The gross amount of any State (UK or foreign) or private pension received by the applicant’s partner or the applicant.
5.3.10. So, under Category B, the assessment of the financial requirement is based on:
(1) The gross annual salary or income from salaried or non-salaried employment at the date of application. This source can be combined with Category C: non-employment income, Category D: cash savings and Category E: pension; and
(2) The actual amount of gross income received from any salaried or non-salaried employment in the 12 months prior to the application. "

Gross annual salary 12 months before MOST applications will be proven with pay slips NOT P60s (as stated previously, unless the application is submitted within 28 days of receiving your P60).

NAME ONE APPLICATION REFUSED ON THIS BASIS.

I didn't submit a p60 and that's what really worries me. I strongly thought I should have included it in the application, I'm only asking questions so I can clear my mind.

Now here's ONE APPLICATION RUFUSED ON THIS BASIS: "My husband is Turkish and we been married 3 years he is currently living in Fethiye and I'm in the UK. We applied for a Settlelment visa via Izmir Consulate/Worldbridge in September. We tracked the application and we received the application paperwork back this morning via courier. The application was refused due to the lack of my P60.I did include salary slips which confirmed my yearly salary aswell as monthly pay as well over the financial amount required .Can anyone please help?Can we appeal against this and provide my P60 which I have but Worldbridge didn;'t tell us we had to include?If we can appeal does it cost ?Who do you appeal too/where?How long does it take to be considered ?Is there any routes to appeal quicker than others?We are both so so upset as we've been waiting for so long and thought when we received the update on the tracker that the documents were being delivered by courier that the visa had been approved. I did think if only one document was missing they would have advised further information was required."

What would you make of that?

[physicskate]

What would you make of that?

Because there are so many financial categories to apply under (some of which DO require a P60), I would really need to see the wording of the refusal.

There is not just one list of docs required for the application because there are too many variants: Do you own a home, do you rent? Have you been employed for more than 6 months, are you self-employed etc.

Not all cases are related to the particulars of your application.

It just gets annoying when you are looking for the answer that you think you already know and then refuse to accept others' opinions. It happens on here a lot.

[vinny]

If you have concerns about not having submitted some supporting documents, then submit them now.