Ppron Method advice please

gamma911 · Post by **gamma911** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:21 am

Following on from this thread
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... 4&start=20

which was todo with another subject, I've decided for clarity to start a new thread. - Hope its ok.

I would like to consider the ppron method to apply for Naturalisation. Most of the details are in the other thread and I would like to know what step to take next.

Fill in the form? Book the flight? Inform the embassy in Dublin?

Wonder if someone could provide abit of clarity on the next steps.

Regards

sakura · Post by **sakura** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:43 am

gamma911 wrote:Following on from this thread
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... 4&start=20

which was todo with another subject, I've decided for clarity to start a new thread. - Hope its ok.

I would like to consider the ppron method to apply for Naturalisation. Most of the details are in the other thread and I would like to know what step to take next.

Fill in the form? Book the flight? Inform the embassy in Dublin?

Wonder if someone could provide abit of clarity on the next steps.

Regards

Sorry, I've been trying to go through all your posts, but it's too much effort. Can you write down your timeline? When did you first enter the UK? You have a CP/spouse visa for two years? Did you live in the UK prior to that?

gamma911 · Post by **gamma911** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:56 am

sure,

I arrived in 2002 on a WHV and then switched to a WP which I held for 2 years 8 months after which I got a spousal Visa for 2 years from August this year - valid for 2 years.

So all in all been here since 2002, the first 2 years obviously doesn't count to ILR but the 3 on the WP does.

Not been out the country for more than 270 days and also not in the last year for more than 90. - all in all aboutr 30 in the last year.

hope that helps

Post by **John** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:24 pm

Are you married to a British Citizen? If the answer to that is yes, then just ensure that you were physically in the UK exactly three years before you make the application in say Dublin, and it looks like you will have met all the requirements of the Ppron method.

SYH · Post by **SYH** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:31 pm

John wrote:Are you married to a British Citizen? If the answer to that is yes, then just ensure that you were physically in the UK exactly three years before you make the application in say Dublin, and it looks like you will have met all the requirements of the Ppron method.

Did we fine Ppron yet?

gamma911 · Post by **gamma911** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:32 pm

Hi, Yes I am married (Civil Partnered) to a BC . I have been in the UK for more than 3 years - on a work permit. Before that 2 on a WHV

gamma911 · Post by **gamma911** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:35 pm

John wrote:Are you married to a British Citizen? If the answer to that is yes, then just ensure that you were physically in the UK exactly three years before you make the application in say Dublin, and it looks like you will have met all the requirements of the Ppron method.

You make empasis to the word exactly - can it be more than 3 years tho? It was 3 years last month ( 2 years 10 months on a WP and the since then on a Spousal)

mym · Post by **mym** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:24 am

gamma911 wrote:You make emphasis to the word exactly - can it be more than 3 years tho?

Yes.

gamma911 · Post by **gamma911** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:26 am

Thanks for all the replies so far,

It seems that I would be able to apply using this method. So can anyone advise on the next step ?

Post by **JAJ** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:18 am

gamma911 wrote:Thanks for all the replies so far,

It seems that I would be able to apply using this method. So can anyone advise on the next step ?

If you want to use the "ppron method" you need to be a lot more resourceful than that. All the instructions you need are in the published links.

Just be aware that many officials are ignorant of the rules and a British embassy overseas will probably (illegally) try to refuse to accept the application unless you make arrangements in advance.

Check whether you need a visa to enter the Republic of Ireland.

gamma911 · Post by **gamma911** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:56 am

I don't need a Visa to enter Dublin and I get the fact that the officials will be clueless therefore I would need as much info as possible to strengthen my case, if and when they try and show me the door.

Post by **John** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:05 am

You make empasis to the word exactly - can it be more than 3 years tho? It was 3 years last month ( 2 years 10 months on a WP and the since then on a Spousal)

The Ppron method is highly technical and I am concerned that you are not even understanding this very easy point. The method should not be used by anyone who is not totally up-to-speed as regards all its requirements.

You are looking for a complication that is simply not there! You need to pass the "applicant was physically present in the UK exactly three years before BIA receive the Naturalisation application" test.

mym wrote:Yes

Wrong! the requirement is very specific, and BIA have no discretion as regards this particular rule. If the person was not physically in the UK exactly three years before BIA receive the application, that application will fail!

gamma911 · Post by **gamma911** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:59 am

If what you are saying is true John then there is no point in me even trying as obviously exactly 3 years has already passed for me.

Surely the other applications wheren't exactly to the day. I understand this is a technical method but surely not to the day 3 years??

SYH · Post by **SYH** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:11 pm

gamma911 wrote:If what you are saying is true John then there is no point in me even trying as obviously exactly 3 years has already passed for me.

Surely the other applications wheren't exactly to the day. I understand this is a technical method but surely not to the day 3 years??

You really don't understand. Please review the threads on the ppron method.

Post by **John** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:53 pm

Gamma911, you are continuing to add in complications that are not there! Just read the actual words of the test that I outlined above. Where does it say that the person cannot be in the UK for more than 3 years?

For someone thinking of using the highly technical Ppron method this really should not be necessary, but let's just give an example. Let's assume, probably wrongly, that you were outside the UK, on holiday or business or whatever, for the whole of the month of October 2004. You left on 01.10.04 and returned on 31.10.04. If that was indeed the case you would not be able to apply for Naturalisation any time in the month of October 2007. Why? Because it clearly would be the case that exactly 3 years earlier you were outside the UK.

So what you need to do is to establish your exact dates outside the UK, and not use the example dates above.

Don't even think about using the Ppron method until you really have learnt all its requirements.

mym · Post by **mym** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:51 pm

John wrote:
mym wrote:Yes
Wrong! the requirement is very specific, and BIA have no discretion as regards this particular rule. If the person was not physically in the UK exactly three years before BIA receive the application, that application will fail!

I was referring to the fact that you don't have to have had 3 years and no more residence. Ie you can apply after being here for longer - as long as (as you say) you were here on the date 3 years before the application date.

Post by **John** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:00 pm

Yes, but your mere "yes" was open to interpretation. Hopefully the OP has now understood the point.

gamma911 · Post by **gamma911** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:38 pm

Correct John the yes statement above did confuse me, but as for your explanation I'm now getting it. ...

Are there any other documented cases regarding this method or only the threads on ukresident?

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