Urgent advice about Ppron Method PLEASE

[Enkido]

I am a non-EU citizen, I came to the UK in Feb 2002 on a student visa and lived in the UK continuously as a student until now. My current student visa will expire at the end of 2007. My boyfriend is a British citizen and we intend to have Civil partnership very soon.
I would like to follow the ppron method to naturalise, but I am not sure about few things.
1- it seems that it can take a long time in processing, what if it lingered to after my student visa expires?
2- when I call the embassy in a neighbouring country to make an appointment they will surely argue as to why I don't do it in the UK, is there a justification I could use?
3- will the return address for these documents be the UK address?
4- I can't get a visa to Irland is it possible to go somewhere else?
I hope it will work for me, I must admit I feel it is too good to be true but I would like to get some advice from those who did it .. what do you think my chances are?

[JAJ]

I am a non-EU citizen, I came to the UK in Feb 2002 on a student visa and lived in the UK continuously as a student until now. My current student visa will expire at the end of 2007. My boyfriend is a British citizen and we intend to have Civil partnership very soon.
I would like to follow the ppron method to naturalise, but I am not sure about few things.
1- it seems that it can take a long time in processing, what if it lingered to after my student visa expires?
2- when I call the embassy in a neighbouring country to make an appointment they will surely argue as to why I don't do it in the UK, is there a justification I could use?
3- will the return address for these documents be the UK address?
4- I can't get a visa to Irland is it possible to go somewhere else?
I hope it will work for me, I must admit I feel it is too good to be true but I would like to get some advice from those who did it .. what do you think my chances are?

With respect, if you can't understand the information that is already posted about the ppron method, you're not going to be capable of using it. All your questions are answered by the information already online.

[Siggi]

As Jaj has already pointed out, you really have to know what you are talking about, if you wish to apply the ppron method successfuly.

I would doubt that you will suceed as you are not married and I don't know how much weight a Civil Partnership will hold in this case.

Either way good luck and please let the board know the final outcome.

[thirdwave]

I am a non-EU citizen, I came to the UK in Feb 2002 on a student visa and lived in the UK continuously as a student until now. My current student visa will expire at the end of 2007. My boyfriend is a British citizen and we intend to have Civil partnership very soon.
I would like to follow the ppron method to naturalise, but I am not sure about few things.
1- it seems that it can take a long time in processing, what if it lingered to after my student visa expires?
2- when I call the embassy in a neighbouring country to make an appointment they will surely argue as to why I don't do it in the UK, is there a justification I could use?
3- will the return address for these documents be the UK address?
4- I can't get a visa to Irland is it possible to go somewhere else?
I hope it will work for me, I must admit I feel it is too good to be true but I would like to get some advice from those who did it .. what do you think my chances are?

Its probably doable but involves a lot of hassle, as I found out myself..I would suggest the more conventional 2 year spousal route..much easier & straight forward..

[gamma911]

I am a non-EU citizen, I came to the UK in Feb 2002 on a student visa and lived in the UK continuously as a student until now. My current student visa will expire at the end of 2007. My boyfriend is a British citizen and we intend to have Civil partnership very soon.
I would like to follow the ppron method to naturalise, but I am not sure about few things.
1- it seems that it can take a long time in processing, what if it lingered to after my student visa expires?
2- when I call the embassy in a neighbouring country to make an appointment they will surely argue as to why I don't do it in the UK, is there a justification I could use?
3- will the return address for these documents be the UK address?
4- I can't get a visa to Irland is it possible to go somewhere else?
I hope it will work for me, I must admit I feel it is too good to be true but I would like to get some advice from those who did it .. what do you think my chances are?

Its probably doable but involves a lot of hassle, as I found out myself..I would suggest the more conventional 2 year spousal route..much easier & straight forward..

I would suggest getting a spousal visa first so that you can relax should the ppron method fail - you won't have a problem with overstaying.

as for all the information online - yes this is true, but I concur the argument when they ask on what basis you are trying todo this - and why not apply in the UK, you can't exactly call it the ppron method - do we just refer to immigration rules or is there an actual name we can put to this?

[gamma911]

As Jaj has already pointed out, you really have to know what you are talking about, if you wish to apply the ppron method successfuly.

I would doubt that you will suceed as you are not married and I don't know how much weight a Civil Partnership will hold in this case.

Either way good luck and please let the board know the final outcome.

As I understand it a Civil Partnership carries exactly the same weight as marriage - correct me if I am wrong tho

[VictoriaS]

Absolutely right.

Victoria

[thirdwave]

I am a non-EU citizen, I came to the UK in Feb 2002 on a student visa and lived in the UK continuously as a student until now. My current student visa will expire at the end of 2007. My boyfriend is a British citizen and we intend to have Civil partnership very soon.
I would like to follow the ppron method to naturalise, but I am not sure about few things.
1- it seems that it can take a long time in processing, what if it lingered to after my student visa expires?
2- when I call the embassy in a neighbouring country to make an appointment they will surely argue as to why I don't do it in the UK, is there a justification I could use?
3- will the return address for these documents be the UK address?
4- I can't get a visa to Irland is it possible to go somewhere else?
I hope it will work for me, I must admit I feel it is too good to be true but I would like to get some advice from those who did it .. what do you think my chances are?

Its probably doable but involves a lot of hassle, as I found out myself..I would suggest the more conventional 2 year spousal route..much easier & straight forward..

I would suggest getting a spousal visa first so that you can relax should the ppron method fail - you won't have a problem with overstaying.

as for all the information online - yes this is true, but I concur the argument when they ask on what basis you are trying todo this - and why not apply in the UK, you can't exactly call it the ppron method - do we just refer to immigration rules or is there an actual name we can put to this?

The ppron method is based on a 'loophole' in the legislation relating to Naturalisation ( from 1981 or something). There was a post elsewhere on the forum by someone who actually managed to use the route in order to obtain naturalisation for his spouse. However, from what I can remember, they had been married for many years & had kids so the HO would not have been concerned about the genuineness of the relationship. In addition, the spouse was a Canadian national which I am sure helped dispel any lingering suspicions that the case worker might have had about her motives behind using the route. I remain sceptical of the usefulness of the route unless I come across strong evidence to the contrary (for eg: someone from the 3rd world married to a British national for only a few months using the method to naturalise)

[gamma911]

I am a non-EU citizen, I came to the UK in Feb 2002 on a student visa and lived in the UK continuously as a student until now. My current student visa will expire at the end of 2007. My boyfriend is a British citizen and we intend to have Civil partnership very soon.
I would like to follow the ppron method to naturalise, but I am not sure about few things.
1- it seems that it can take a long time in processing, what if it lingered to after my student visa expires?
2- when I call the embassy in a neighbouring country to make an appointment they will surely argue as to why I don't do it in the UK, is there a justification I could use?
3- will the return address for these documents be the UK address?
4- I can't get a visa to Irland is it possible to go somewhere else?
I hope it will work for me, I must admit I feel it is too good to be true but I would like to get some advice from those who did it .. what do you think my chances are?

Its probably doable but involves a lot of hassle, as I found out myself..I would suggest the more conventional 2 year spousal route..much easier & straight forward..

I would suggest getting a spousal visa first so that you can relax should the ppron method fail - you won't have a problem with overstaying.

as for all the information online - yes this is true, but I concur the argument when they ask on what basis you are trying todo this - and why not apply in the UK, you can't exactly call it the ppron method - do we just refer to immigration rules or is there an actual name we can put to this?

The ppron method is based on a 'loophole' in the legislation relating to Naturalisation ( from 1981 or something). There was a post elsewhere on the forum by someone who actually managed to use the route in order to obtain naturalisation for his spouse. However, from what I can remember, they had been married for many years & had kids so the HO would not have been concerned about the genuineness of the relationship. In addition, the spouse was a Canadian national which I am sure helped dispel any lingering suspicions that the case worker might have had about her motives behind using the route. I remain sceptical of the usefulness of the route unless I come across strong evidence to the contrary (for eg: someone from the 3rd world married to a British national for only a few months using the method to naturalise)

Obviously something to consider - maybe the Op can state his nationality?

Although I don't think if you pass all the criteria then the HO will have much choice but to grant the Naturalisation despite which country you may come from.

I would like to know what to refer to this method as, as posted by my previous post - can anyone assist?

[mym]

when they ask on what basis you are trying todo this - and why not apply in the UK, you can't exactly call it the ppron method - do we just refer to immigration rules

I don't see why not. It is an option anyone can take up as the law refers only to being 'in' another country. No residence requirement is required.

[gamma911]

when they ask on what basis you are trying todo this - and why not apply in the UK, you can't exactly call it the ppron method - do we just refer to immigration rules

I don't see why not. It is an option anyone can take up as the law refers only to being 'in' another country. No residence requirement is required.

Yes but what do you refer to when they ask what the reason is your applying to in a foreign country?

[mym]

Yes but what do you refer to when they ask what the reason is your applying to in a foreign country?

When you buy a loaf at Tesco do they ask you why you didn't use Sainsbury?

It's a service they provide, that's all. Why you are using them, rather than another provider of the same service, is both irrelevant and none of their business.

[JAJ]

The ppron method is based on a 'loophole' in the legislation relating to Naturalisation ( from 1981 or something). There was a post elsewhere on the forum by someone who actually managed to use the route in order to obtain naturalisation for his spouse. However, from what I can remember, they had been married for many years & had kids so the HO would not have been concerned about the genuineness of the relationship. In addition, the spouse was a Canadian national which I am sure helped dispel any lingering suspicions that the case worker might have had about her motives behind using the route. I remain sceptical of the usefulness of the route unless I come across strong evidence to the contrary (for eg: someone from the 3rd world married to a British national for only a few months using the method to naturalise)

The documented case involved a South African citizen who was resident in the U.K on an ancestral dependent visa, after the spouse of that person became a British citizen by descent through registration under section 4C of the British Nationality Act. (birth to U.K. mother pre 1983).

[Marco 72]

Yes but what do you refer to when they ask what the reason is your applying to in a foreign country?

When you buy a loaf at Tesco do they ask you why you didn't use Sainsbury?

Embassies are not private companies. They have no interest whatsoever in being helpful to their "customers", and there is not much you can do if they are not. A couple of years ago the British Embassy in Rome refused to consider my wife's application for an EEA Family Permit on the ground that since she was a US citizen she needed to apply in the US. A UK immigration solicitor later told me they were acting illegally.

[Marco 72]

I am a non-EU citizen, I came to the UK in Feb 2002 on a student visa and lived in the UK continuously as a student until now. My current student visa will expire at the end of 2007. My boyfriend is a British citizen and we intend to have Civil partnership very soon.
I would like to follow the ppron method to naturalise, but I am not sure about few things.
1- it seems that it can take a long time in processing, what if it lingered to after my student visa expires?
2- when I call the embassy in a neighbouring country to make an appointment they will surely argue as to why I don't do it in the UK, is there a justification I could use?
3- will the return address for these documents be the UK address?
4- I can't get a visa to Irland is it possible to go somewhere else?
I hope it will work for me, I must admit I feel it is too good to be true but I would like to get some advice from those who did it .. what do you think my chances are?

With respect, if you can't understand the information that is already posted about the ppron method, you're not going to be capable of using it. All your questions are answered by the information already online.

I have read the online discussions but I'm not sure how to answer the OP's first question.

[gamma911]

Yes but what do you refer to when they ask what the reason is your applying to in a foreign country?

When you buy a loaf at Tesco do they ask you why you didn't use Sainsbury?

It's a service they provide, that's all. Why you are using them, rather than another provider of the same service, is both irrelevant and none of their business.

The analogy does not make sense to me at all - and thats not the question I asked, or maybe you have misunderstood.

My question is this:

When I contact the embassy in Dublin informing them of my application and my intent to apply using this method, what would you refer to when you talk about the method?

[Marco 72]

The analogy does not make sense to me at all - and thats not the question I asked, or maybe you have misunderstood.

My question is this:

When I contact the embassy in Dublin informing them of my application and my intent to apply using this method, what would you refer to when you talk about the method?

See this thread. Third post from the top. Or go straight here.

[Enkido]

I am unable to obtain the 2 year residence permit as a spouse and that's why I am trying to do the Ppron method. However it seems that no one on here DID do it from begining to end .. and got British citizenship because of it .. In 99% of the times the ppron is mentioned here there was only this sentence "I suggest the PPron method for you BUT .... it is highly technical and don't do it without intense knowledge about it !!!!!!" So hopes go very high and then very low .. it is so frustrating.

[gamma911]

why if I may ask if you are going to enter into a CP can you not get a 2 years Spousal Visa?

[mym]

My question is this:

When I contact the embassy in Dublin informing them of my application and my intent to apply using this method, what would you refer to when you talk about the method?

You don't need to mention anything other than that you intend to apply for naturalisation through them.

[gamma911]

My question is this:

When I contact the embassy in Dublin informing them of my application and my intent to apply using this method, what would you refer to when you talk about the method?

You don't need to mention anything other than that you intend to apply for naturalisation through them.

And if they then say why don't you just apply in the UK? what argument do I use?

[Marco 72]

However it seems that no one on here DID do it from begining to end .. and got British citizenship because of it

User ppron747's wife used it and got British citizenship through it. See here (you will have to register on that forum first in order to be able to read it).

And if they then say why don't you just apply in the UK? what argument do I use?

They are not going to say that. In the unlikely case they do, just tell them politely that it's none of their business. What they might say is that they can't accept your application and you need to submit it in the UK. In that case, direct their attention to the link I posted above.

Enkido, my answers to your questions are:

1. I don't know for sure, but from what I can see I don't think it should matter if your visa expires (unless it could be construed as violating the good character requirement).
2. See above.
3. Yes.
4. You can apply at a British diplomatic mission anywhere.

[Enkido]

why if I may ask if you are going to enter into a CP can you not get a 2 years Spousal Visa?

We have been together for over 2 years now and had I been an EU citizen we would have married long time ago without all the nasty worries about everything in life!!!!

This immigration thing has certainly wrecked the past 2 years of my life including the best loving relationship I have ever had.

[Enkido]

However it seems that no one on here DID do it from begining to end .. and got British citizenship because of it

User ppron747's wife used it and got British citizenship through it. See here (you will have to register on that forum first in order to be able to read it).

And if they then say why don't you just apply in the UK? what argument do I use?

They are not going to say that. In the unlikely case they do, just tell them politely that it's none of their business. What they might say is that they can't accept your application and you need to submit it in the UK. In that case, direct their attention to the link I posted above.

Enkido, my answers to your questions are:

1. I don't know for sure, but from what I can see I don't think it should matter if your visa expires (unless it could be construed as violating the good character requirement).
2. See above.
3. Yes.
4. You can apply at a British diplomatic mission anywhere.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED . . . If i get the chance to do it I will certainly let the forum know.

[Marco 72]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED . . . If i get the chance to do it I will certainly let the forum know.

If I were you I would try to contact an immigration attorney and get confirmation regarding your first question.