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Option 1 is our best bet and if it works out it will confirm the name my wife now chooses to use.hellonewhere wrote:@noajthan - thank you so much for the very informative post and suggestions.
I appreciate the time you took to write it; certainly helps me to assess my options available.
Point 1 you mentioned - I was thinking to go along this option, however, I am unsure whether my embassy will cancel my existing passport. It's a very small embassy, I will make an appointment to see whether I will be able to do this.
However, failing that, could I ask you regarding the point 6 you mentioned.
I was under the impression that as my naturalisation certificate is under my married name, I wouldn't be able to apply for a British passport under my maiden name?. I would be happy to be corrected if this isn't the case.
If this is possible, then I could apply for the British passport under my maiden name and upon receipt send it back to be changed to my married name along with my marriage certificate. I think the issue is just the first passport.
Option 5 is certainly something I can look into, however, I will adopt it as a last option, as you mentioned there's not much success yet!
It's a bit of a nightmare. It just seems that the new guidance hasn't made much of an allowance for women who have got married after issuing of their birth country's passport. It certainly makes things complicated and time consuming.
I hope your wife's case get sorted soon. It just seem such a lengthy exercise!
If the authorities are unable to amend your name so that it is the same as on your Naturalization certificate, or if the ... authorities state that you are no longer entitled to hold a <foreign> passport, we will require written confirmation of this from the <foreign> authorities.
So as we'd already applied in married name they have told us we could opt to give up on that application & reapply in maiden name (with certain conditions).Alternatively you may choose to have your name on your British passport as <maiden name>. To do this we will require a new application form in the name of <maiden name>, evidence of the change of name to <maiden name>, and documents to confirm you are now using the name <maiden name> for all purposes, such as a current letter from your employer or government department.
Thank you for elaborating on the "maiden name" route, it certainly isn't as straight forward as I initially thought.Antsmall wrote:Hellonewhere: please note that now the passport people require all dual (or plural) nationals to submit colour photocopies (why is this trying to change my British spelling to American automatically by the way?) of any "uncancelled passports" even when renewing passports. I initially thought I could (unwillingly) apply for everything in my maiden name and then renew my British passport in my married name using the less intrusive passport renewal process, but no: it's not less intrusive. They still insist on seeing evidence of uncancelled passports (oh god, still trying to change my spelling to American every time I use my native language - or one of them), they specify that failure to show such evidence constitutes a crime and may evoke a Nasty Response, and they reserve the right to make even people who are merely renewing a British passport send original foreign passports if somehow the orgy of time and paper wastage constituted by the submission of colour (no, not color, you hegemonic machine that is driving me bonkers: respect diversity, you nefarious little robot) isn't enough to satisfy their lust for intrusive irritation. (This reminds me of the South Park episode where Chef points out "He feeds on the sweet milk of your tears").
My point is that the route of applying for everything in your maiden name (after going through a time-consuming and elaborate process whereby you abjure the identity you've chosen for yourself and have been using for the past 14 years, mind you) *and then* renewing the passport in your married name isn't going to work unless you can anyway either cancel your foreign passport (which as we've seen depends on one or more consular/ambassadorial bureaucrats being exceptionally reasonable and helpful rather than simply playing the stereotypical Vogonic role of Robots Who Say No) or have your married name reflected in your foreign passport.
So I'd say: give the passport cancellation thing a go and see if you do encounter that rare thing, the reasonable bureaucrat who genuinely wishes to reduce the discomfort of other sentient beings. (I do have a government job - not British, alas - and I do go out of my way to solve people's problems even when they don't Fall Within the Ordinary Scope of Our Work beep beep robot sounds, which is why I always have thank-you cards on my desk and my colleagues don't; there is the occasional person like that and I've met a couple of others). If that doesn't work, it may be preferable for you to go back to your other country and endure the gruelling name-changing process. Yes, it's deeply annoying and it consumes considerable amounts of time, but at least it's a known procedure with a clear outcome rather than one or more equally annoying, equally time-consuming procedures whose outcome is uncertain.
If it's any consolation, I'm currently undergoing a lengthy name-change process in my country of residence (which is neither Britain nor my other homeland - the one that isn't Britain that is) on the off-chance that the authorities of my non-British homeland will accept a foreign court order declaring a change of name and will proceed to grant me my married name despite their usually extremely constipated name-change rules. This was suggested to me by a helpful person in my non-British consulate who has memories of it working in the past. See: a helpful consular official. I initiated the procedure almost a month ago and will have to attend a court hearing in July, then (if all goes well) get an apostille (no, not apostle, bossy autocorrect robot with a tiny vocabulary) on the resulting decree, then go to my non-British consulate and initiate a name change petition on the strength of this document, and then probably wait several more months while everything is sent to that country and is considered by yet another bureaucrat who may or may not be reasonable. I don't even know if it will work. It may well be doomed because I'm not a citizen of my country of residence and any number of additional reasons. But my point is that even this horrifyingly convoluted process appears less blood-curdling to me than trying to reason with the British passport office. If you have access to a similar process *except that it will actually guarantee a name change rather than being probably doomed like mine*, then I'd say bite the bullet and go for it. It's not as if the alternatives will be less annoying, but they certainly will have a less clear outcome and therefore be more stressful.
By the way, I heartily agree with noajthan when he (I'm assuming it's a he) says that a) people should be free to choose their own name rather than having it imposed by a bureaucrat (even though my non-British homeland appears never to have received that particular memo and is particularly stubborn concerning name changes) and b) this ill-conceived new 'policy' is causing the passport people to go ape over people who *have already been turned inside out like a sock to check for any traces of crime*. It is therefore wasting time - their own and that of the applicants - on cases where *crime is demonstrably absent*. It's like pinpointed inefficiency. "Let's try to aim resources where they are specifically not needed" could be their unwieldy motto. A wieldy one wouldn't really fit with their whole cumbersome vibe. Can you tell I'm cheesed off just a touch?
Good luck to all. I hope that the slew of delayed passport applications that will soon deluge the passport people will eventually make even their slow-moving "minds" realise that some accommodation has to be made or things will really get out of hand. I wonder how much awkwardness and inconvenience is necessary to overcome the massive inertia of this comatose leviathan.
Update: we have just received a standard letter inviting my wife to arrange the mandatory first-time applicant's passport interview.ouflak1 wrote:noajthan wrote:.... and it complies with what the HM PO official asked for...noajthan wrote:Well, I haven't seen yet what we've been sent.
And HM PO will still have to agree to accept it. That's not a given.
I still find this part very strange. It's not the Phillipines responsibility to make sure that UK citizens can leave their own country in conformance with basic human rights. It's the UK's responsibility to make sure its citizens can leave the country in conformance with human rights. I hope you've made a copy of all your correspondance. I think you have genuine civil rights complaint against the UK government. You might be able to get a nice settlement.
The requirement to submit an uncancelled passports relates to any uncancelled passport, British or otherwise. The document is required to support identity and nationality checks. It is also required to ensure that any British passport issued is compatible with the biographical and photographic details contained in an existing passport.
Link to the full response from HM PO to the above FOI request:Should it subsequently come to HMPO’s notice that a person had failed to disclose at the point of application for a British passport that they hold a passport in another nationality, it would be a criminal offence on the basis that they would have made a false statement on the application form.
This may render them liable to criminal proceedings and it would be open to the Secretary of State to consider the exercise of the Royal Prerogative to withdraw or refuse the issue of a British passport. That would be considered on the individual circumstances of the case and the seriousness of the consequences of the attempted deception.
mimimari26,mimimari26 wrote:Hello everyone
I have a similar problem too,
My naturalisation certificate has been issued on 10th feb 2015 with my previous name as i changed my name after receiving my naturalisation certificate with deed poll.
I applied on 15th may 2015 for my British passport i received a letter on 28th may which was dated 26th may saying :
That i need to provide HMPO with 3 documents confirming that i have changed my name with authorities such as education, Driving License, bank and etc ,also stating that i will be using my current name for all purposes in future in The UK and overseas.
Many authorities refused to change my name in their system as i couldnt provide them with an ID or passport.
Changing name or surname is very difficult and sometimes impossible in my country
i sent back on 29th may confirmation letter that i intend to use my current name for all proposes and i will change my name in my other passport as soon i receive my British passport issued with my current name. also included my council tax bill and letter from HO as i only have those with my new name.
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Yesterday, my wife attended Crawley passport office for the mandatory passport interview.noajthan wrote:Update: we have just received a standard letter inviting my wife to arrange the mandatory first-time applicant's passport interview.
So, without acknowledging it, HM PO have evidently now accepted the cancelled passport and Certificate of Cancellation we provided.
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Fingers now crossed for the interview.
Cancellation route has worked (cancel foreign passport plus obtain Certificate of Cancellation from embassy as supporting evidence).noajthan wrote:...
HM PO texted today to say passport is being printed & it should arrive in a few working days.
Will celebrate once it's in our hands.
mimimari,mimimari26 wrote:Update
I have received a letter on 4th june to call back HMPO, They told me that i need to change the Naturalisation certificate changed to my current name, also i asked them on of the caseworker to call me back.
I have informed the Home office after my Naturalisation certificate on 1st april about my name change i sent them my deed poll , also correct the date of birth,which was incorrect.
Home office acknowledged my name change by sending me a letter stating my and that they will change the correct certificate shortly. Home office only Corrected my date of birth and did not change the name.
When the case worker called me back the same day she said the case worker who is handling my application will be back next Tuesday, And she add that this case has to go to our professional team name changing section. Also i have realised every caseworker they have difference suggestion, one says change the certificate one says this application has to go to different department.
But i just want to add this:
HMPO dose not make any sense what so ever, i can easy apply For my passport with old name and once i get my pass then again apply to change my name. once you have a British passport they must change it for you.
It just so annoying.
I believe it means you do not keep the certificate in sync with any & all later name changes, (such as yours).Adoption, Birth and Naturalisation certificates
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These documents are records of events and changes to these records are not covered by this policy
There is one more option:noajthan wrote:For those caught in a similar catch-22 situation, namely:
Recently naturalised in married name (or other new name);
AND documents including foreign passport held in maiden name (or other previous name);
AND HM PO refusing or delaying first British passport (citing as their reason, "to avoid the creation of a second identity")
Summary of Options
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Hi HSMPJR, have you got anywhere after the authorisation letterhsmpjr wrote:My wife had also faced same issue because of changing surname during naturalization process. It has been 5 weeks since we applied, in the end there was no solution. We just sent authorization letter to examiner saying we will surrender indian passport as soon as we get british passport as we dont have any other solution.
Please try to avoid this situation, if you are planning to change name then please update your indian passport first before applying for naturalization so that every document matches.
Good luck.
Congratulations on receiving the passport.hsmpjr wrote:Yes we sent letter by royal mail next day delivery, which was received and the interview letter was posted the same day and we received it after 2 days. My wife got her passport now, we have also surrendered her indian passport and sent copy of the surrender certificate to examiner as we declared.
The requirement for a 1st time applicant for British passport is to submit all uncancelled passports (including expired ones).Ziuta wrote:I am facing very similar issue. In few weeks time I'm getting married, so I'm planning on changing my surname. My passport is expired now and I've been traveling on EEA ID card, which is valid for next 6 years or so and it has my maiden name on it. And now where the issue will start, my ID can't be renewed in UK - has to be done back home. If I do that I won't have valid document to travel back. It's a catch 22. For passport in my new name I'll have to wait until Christmas at least (procedures of registering marriage back home as my consulate won't accept British one, which is lengthy and costs huge amount of money if you want to have it completed quicker ie before Christmas). It's bonkers, I just hope I'll get naturalisation letter in a next 1-2weeks otherwise I'm going to have to fight the system