Going to Ireland? How effective?

[violet26]

Can people please tell me how effective is the "surinder singh" route, for example going to Ireland if all documentation is correct or if you use a service which assists this for a fee????

[violet26]

Not sure how this site works but my post seems to be the only ones that dont get replies....lol

[Wanderer]

I think it's because your question is rather vague. What research have you done so far?

[violet26]

Thank you wanderer for your reply, ok ill give you a history, I am a UK citizen and my partner is Algerian, he is an overstayer of 15 years, and we have been together for 2.5 years, living together for 2 years but only got 5 months evidence. We spoke briefly to "Immigration assistance services" and they told us that as my partners passport has expired we would have to go back to Algeria to renew it and while there get married then through their guidance go to Ireland to live for 3 months and 1 week also for me to work there before finally applying for a visa to come back to England.

Best regards
Sam and Ismail x

[Casa]

Are you planning to take the Surinder Singh route due to not meeting the £18,600 annual earnings condition?

[violet26]

yes CASA, do we need to always travel together or can i join him in algeria a couple of weeks later and also going to Ireland can he follow me there a couple of weeks later?

[violet26]

yes CASA, do we need to always travel together or can i join him in algeria a couple of weeks later and also going to Ireland can he follow me there a couple of weeks later?

[Casa]

He can travel back to Algeria without you. My understanding is that after you're married you can re-locate to Ireland where you will need to start work within 3 months of arrival. He can follow you later having applied for a family resident permit from Algeria. I suspect that Wanderer will advise a longer period of work and residence in Ireland than 3 months. I know that there have been successful applications following a short period in the member state, but you'll have to show that you've 'moved the centre of your life' there by integrating well, renting property, paying taxes on employment etc. I'd say that you'd strengthen the application with a stay of at least 6+ months.

[violet26]

ok do we have to live there together for at least 3 months or just me so like what date will they take it from, and do i have to be working for at least 3 months, for example if we live there for 6 months and i cant find work straight away so end up only working for 2 months, do you think we should stay for 6 months and i work for at least 3 months is a good idea. And do you have any idea how long it takes for him to get his family resident permit to join me in Ireland, and can he only apply for it once i am in ireland??

[Wanderer]

Thank you wanderer for your reply, ok ill give you a history, I am a UK citizen and my partner is Algerian, he is an overstayer of 15 years, and we have been together for 2.5 years, living together for 2 years but only got 5 months evidence. We spoke briefly to "Immigration assistance services" and they told us that as my partners passport has expired we would have to go back to Algeria to renew it and while there get married then through their guidance go to Ireland to live for 3 months and 1 week also for me to work there before finally applying for a visa to come back to England.

Best regards
Sam and Ismail x

Well some have done it in three months, but the UKVI now need you to have shifted your 'centre of life' to the new EU state - i.e. done it properly, not just to avoid UK rules more or less.

To me, that means giving up home in UK, leasing a new place in your case Ireland, which means usually a minimum six-month lease, job, plus getting there and sorting it, leaving it and tying it all up at the end means 9-12 months. Some treehuggers here will say you can do it in three months, but while it's happened I don't think it could happen going forward, rules are tighter now.

You'd need to marry too, whilst partners can be considered it's much tougher, much tougher with lots of evidence. That very act of marrying though may trigger removal proceedings, rock and a hard place I'm afraid.

Any reason why he can't apply from home and you fulfil the finance tests?

[violet26]

I dont meet the £18600 requirements wanderer, ok we were thinking of going to paris as he has family there, but as we need to renew his passport we were told he can only do this in his own country, can he apply through the algerian embassy to renew his passport even though he has no ID and if so could we go to paris for 12 months and whilst there get married, then apply to come back to UK ?

[violet26]

Also if he can renew his passport while here, can we travel to paris together or would he need a visa to go to france?

[Casa]

He will need a visa in order to enter France and with his immigration history in the UK, this is unlikely to be granted. Even if it was, you would have a problem marrying there. The most sensible option would be for him to return to Algeria and marry.
Regarding employment/self employment for the Surinder Singh route, there is actually a level of qualifying income. You will need to show that you have been earning £156 (approx) per week for the work to be what the Home Office will accept as 'genuine and effective'.

[violet26]

is that £156 gross or net? ok so if he could not renew his passport while still here in UK how can he travel back to Algeria without a passport? or do you think he can renew his passport through Algerian embassy in london and what documents would he need to do this?

[Casa]

is that £156 gross or net? ok so if he could not renew his passport while still here in UK how can he travel back to Algeria without a passport? or do you think he can renew his passport through Algerian embassy in london and what documents would he need to do this?

It would be gross income. He needs to ask his embassy about the procedure for renewing his passport or obtaining a travel document.

[Obie]

You don't have a minor child , right?

[violet26]

No Obie we dont have a minor, i have 2 children from prev although they are grown up now