Supporting my wife when making the application

[Deanozoff1]

Hi guys I'm new to this site and have seen some real good info. I have a few questions if anyone can help me that would be great!!

So my Indonesian wife currently has a 2 year general visitor visa as this is all I required as I've been working in Indonesia. Now the project is coming to an end we are preparing for a family of a settled person visa.

Question number 1. Do I actually need to be in the UK when she makes the application? Can I not go to the visa applications centre with her for submission? I've seen a lot of "present & settled in the UK" on a lot of the guidelines.

Question number 2. As I mentioned above I've been working in Indonesia for a Scottish oil company. They have some sort of agreement with the Indonesian tax authority that I will pay 90/95% to them and the rest to the UK. For talking sake I made 80k last year and only paid 4k UK tax! I only have wage slips that show where my tax has went, I don't have & possibly can't get a Indonesian p60 can anyone tell me if this is still ok? Of course I will supply as much supporting docs to prove this

Question number 3. I had a bitter break up with an ex partner who I have a 2 year old son with, I was not allowed to see him nor was my money wanted(I still paid for him though)
When making my wife's visitor application I selected that I had no dependants because i was refused access and full contact with my son. Is this right?? Help!

Now I have starting a slow building relationship with my son again I would like to include him in the application but I'm afraid this will cause me a problem if the clearance officer looks at my wife's old application!

Can anyone advise if my son is classed as a dependant if my ex has full custody & has refused access?

I'm getting a bit worried about these points, any help would be greatly appreciated

Cheers

Deano

[Deanozoff1]

Please somebody help with any of my question

[geriatrix]

I was hoping someone else more knowledgeable than me in this area of family immigration would respond, but in absence let me share my opinion. Perhaps, the response will act as a catalyst for others to correct me if I am wrong in my opinion/response.


1. Provided you can meet the financial, accommodation and maintenance requirements without returning to UK beforehand, your physical presence in the UK (before or on the day your spouse submits an application for entry clearance) is not required.
See GEN.1.3 (c), along with E-ECP.2.1. (a).

2. See Appendix FM 1.7: financial requirement -> 5.2. Category A: With current employer for 6 months or more – overseas sponsor returning to the UK.
Appendix FM-SE describes in detail the documentary evidence(s) required to be submitted under various circumstances.

3. If your son's other parent has sole responsibility, I don't think he can be considered your "dependant" from an immigration perspective. Whether you need to mention about your son from a previous relationship in your current partner's application form will depend on the question being asked in the application (with respect to sponsor's other dependant(s)).


The documents available here are a good source of self-help.

[Wanderer]

Can you qualify on savings only? (£62,500)

[Deanozoff1]

Hi,

Thanks for ur reply!

I currently work on a rotation so I would submit this on my 3 week holiday period. I was a bit worried about that so thanks.

Ok that's great thanks I'll have a look at that. From what I see I'm best making the application soon as I'm not sure about work after this. I'm looking to have around £5000 in my bank and £1000 in my wife's account, is this a fair amount to have in my bank?

I need to find out more about my son because on my p60 it states paternity pay has been paid into my account.
The reason for me mentioning my son was to explain why I had paternity pay & why I did not mention him before( putting my all my cards on the table type thing) maybe I should find a way around this I'm not sure.

Unfortunately I don't have savings so £62000 is a long shot haha

Thanks guys any more opinions would be really appreciated.

[geriatrix]

Ok that's great thanks I'll have a look at that. From what I see I'm best making the application soon as I'm not sure about work after this. I'm looking to have around £5000 in my bank and £1000 in my wife's account, is this a fair amount to have in my bank?


Thanks guys any more opinions would be really appreciated.

Read through the documents I have provided the links for - carefully.

[Deanozoff1]

Hi guys & girls

I'm preparing for my wife's family of a settled person visa and I wondering if I should use an immigration layer? I've already prepared 3 visitor visas for her with the help of an agent. I feel now I could possibly do this myself but I'm afraid I'm maybe missing something.

My wife has a UK visa rejection from years ago and another with myself due to the old faithful "lack of documentation " she has since been granted 2 visa which helps matters I think.

I had a consultation with an immigration lawyer but I have to say I wasn't too impressed, yes he answered some questions but didn't really help with souloutions, I've had to come up with these myself.

I have a lengthy checklist to work from and I'm starting to wonder if I really need the lawyers help. What do they actually do?

Can anyone give their opinion on my checklist I've prepared? Maybe something I've missed or something I should leave out?

CONTENTS PAGE.
1. Application form
2. SU07/12 home office form
3. Dean current passport, 2nd passport & old passport containing Indonesian visas (NOTARIZED)
4. Indonesian work permit (KITAS)ORIGINALS
5. Letter of support/undertaking from Dean
6. Letter from Sujiyah explaining previous rejections, relationship, why she wants to move to Scotland. Also 2 previous rejection reference numbers.
7. Statutory declaration from Dean notarised in Jakarta then legalised by ministry of foreign affairs & British embassy
8. Support letter from Deans mother
Support letter from deans grandma.
Support letter from Sujiyah's father ( stamped from her village head) ( translated by recommended certified translator from UK gov website)
9. Dean work letter from manager
10. Deans work contracts since February 2013
11. Deans payslips last 12 months (verification letter & stamped from Pipeline technique)
12. P60
13. Indonesian tax statement from pipeline technique
14. Deans original bank statements for 6 months with possible stamp or authenticity letter?
15. Copy of electricians grade card
16. Original electricians SVQ award certificate
17. Deans birth certificate
18. Sujiyah English test results
19. TB X-ray –valid for 6 months
20. Certified copy of marriage certificate
21. Notarised copy of original marriage certificate
22. Nongsa point marina residence letter stating we have lived together in Indonesia whilst I have been on assignment.
23. Sujiyah's old & new passports
24. Sujiyah's family card( translated by recommended certified translator from UK gov website)
25. Sujiyah police report ( translated by recommended certified translator from UK gov website)
26. Sujiyah land documents ( translated by recommended certified translator from UK gov website)
27. Sujiyah birth certificate ( translated by recommended certified translator from UK gov website)
28. Sujiyah divorce certificate ( translated by recommended certified translator from UK gov website)
29. Member of Parliament support letter from Hannah Bradley
30. Evidence of all our holidays ( flight stubs, pictures, passport stamps)
31. Pictures of us with family on our holidays and various others together
32. Small cover letter explaining why I had my payslips sent to my mothers house whilst in Indonesia(copy of mothers tenancy agreement for officers reference)
33. Small cover letter explaining why my contract changed from technician to supervisor/ also explaining when working in Scotland & Indonesia.
34. Sujiyah travel history-part of online application
35. APPENDIX 2 financial requirement
36. Deans mortage details
37. Deans house deeds
38. Deans utility bill from Sky television & house insurance statement
39. Sujiyah's bank balance converted from rupiah to GBP using www.oanda.com
40. Also to show regular monthly payments from my bank to Sujiyah's.
41. Flight details from visits to the UK
42. Flight details for desired return to UK
43. Copy of joint bank account in Indonesia (BANK NATIONAL INDONESIA) currency converted by oanda.com
44. Deans NVQ in food preparation & cooking to reference that we have a lot in common from my letter of undertaking.
45. National insurance certificate from indonesia(possibility)
46. Copy of Sujiyah cooking certificates

Cheers! Any help would be appreciated

[geriatrix]

There is loads of "completely unnecessary and irrelevant" stuff in that list!

[Deanozoff1]

What do you think is uneccesary? Could you explain further?

[Deanozoff1]

Anything I have missed?

[Casa]

Hi guys & girls

I'm preparing for my wife's family of a settled person visa and I wondering if I should use an immigration layer? I've already prepared 3 visitor visas for her with the help of an agent. I feel now I could possibly do this myself but I'm afraid I'm maybe missing something.

My wife has a UK visa rejection from years ago and another with myself due to the old faithful "lack of documentation " she has since been granted 2 visa which helps matters I think.

I had a consultation with an immigration lawyer but I have to say I wasn't too impressed, yes he answered some questions but didn't really help with souloutions, I've had to come up with these myself.

I have a lengthy checklist to work from and I'm starting to wonder if I really need the lawyers help. What do they actually do?

Can anyone give their opinion on my checklist I've prepared? Maybe something I've missed or something I should leave out?

CONTENTS PAGE.
1. Application form
2. SU07/12 home office form
3. Dean current passport, 2nd passport & old passport containing Indonesian visas (NOTARIZED) only current passport
4. Indonesian work permit (KITAS)ORIGINALS
5. Letter of support/undertaking from Dean
6. Letter from Sujiyah explaining previous rejections, relationship, why she wants to move to Scotland. Also 2 previous rejection reference numbers.
7. Statutory declaration from Dean notarised in Jakarta then legalised by ministry of foreign affairs & British embassy
8. Support letter from Deans mother not needed
Support letter from deans grandma. not needed
Support letter from Sujiyah's father ( stamped from her village head) ( translated by recommended certified translator from UK gov website) not needed
9. Dean work letter from manager
10. Deans work contracts since February 2013
11. Deans payslips last 12 months (verification letter & stamped from Pipeline technique)
12. P60
13. Indonesian tax statement from pipeline technique
14. Deans original bank statements for 6 months with possible stamp or authenticity letter? If original, authenticity letter not needed
15. Copy of electricians grade card not needed
16. Original electricians SVQ award certificate not needed
17. Deans birth certificate not needed
18. Sujiyah English test results
19. TB X-ray –valid for 6 months
20. Certified copy of marriage certificate
21. Notarised copy of original marriage certificate You don't need notarised and certified - they're the same
22. Nongsa point marina residence letter stating we have lived together in Indonesia whilst I have been on assignment.
23. Sujiyah's old & new passports
24. Sujiyah's family card( translated by recommended certified translator from UK gov website)
25. Sujiyah police report ( translated by recommended certified translator from UK gov website)
26. Sujiyah land documents ( translated by recommended certified translator from UK gov website) Why the land documents?
27. Sujiyah birth certificate ( translated by recommended certified translator from UK gov website) not needed
28. Sujiyah divorce certificate ( translated by recommended certified translator from UK gov website)
29. Member of Parliament support letter from Hannah Bradley not needed
30. Evidence of all our holidays ( flight stubs, pictures, passport stamps)
31. Pictures of us with family on our holidays and various others together
32. Small cover letter explaining why I had my payslips sent to my mothers house whilst in Indonesia(copy of mothers tenancy agreement for officers reference)
33. Small cover letter explaining why my contract changed from technician to supervisor/ also explaining when working in Scotland & Indonesia.
34. Sujiyah travel history-part of online application
35. APPENDIX 2 financial requirement
36. Deans mortage details
37. Deans house deeds
38. Deans utility bill from Sky television & house insurance statement not needed
39. Sujiyah's bank balance converted from rupiah to GBP using http://www.oanda.com
40. Also to show regular monthly payments from my bank to Sujiyah's.
41. Flight details from visits to the UK
42. Flight details for desired return to UK
43. Copy of joint bank account in Indonesia (BANK NATIONAL INDONESIA) currency converted by oanda.com
44. Deans NVQ in food preparation & cooking to reference that we have a lot in common from my letter of undertaking. not needed
45. National insurance certificate from indonesia(possibility) not needed
46. Copy of Sujiyah cooking certificates not needed

Cheers! Any help would be appreciated

If you include too much paperwork which isn't relevant to the application, the case worker may well overlook mandatory evidence.

[Deanozoff1]

Yes I understand what you are saying. I'm just trying to cover every angle so they can't question anything. With 2 rejections already I'm being very cautious.

I was including the family support letters to give of a good impression of my wife and tell the officer a little bit about her.

I will try and get original bank statements but my bank took a long time arranging this the last time. I need to find out if I can do this in the branch.

I wasn't planning on sending my original marriage cert incase it got damaged. I was going to make a copy then have it notarised. Should I send original?

I have read I should include a utility bill to help prove my address?

I will need to include all the Indonesian tax/national insurance because it's been offset against my UK tax/national insurance so I need to show why I've not paid this money to the UK?

I'll reduce this checklist I'm obviously being paranoid trying to over compensate.








Do you think I have covered everything?

[Casa]

You don't have to submit your original marriage certificate if the copy is legally certified or notified. You don't need a certified and a notarised copy. One or the other.
Your mortgage document and property deeds are proof of address and ownership.
The Entry Officer isn't really interested in knowing more about a person or whether the family like them. They simply need to see that all the regulations have been complied with.
Why is your MP involved in the application?

[Deanozoff1]

Ok understood.

I got some support from my MP last time just a letter addressed to the home office asking to take my wife application in to consideration since I earned over X amount every year & had suitable accommodation etc.... then a separate letter to the clearance officer stating much the same.

Would I be able to come back to you about filling in the appendix 2 financial requirement? Couple of things I'm not sure of

[geriatrix]

I don't think you you need 25, 41 and 42 either.

[Deanozoff1]

Better to prove she's not a criminal with the police report

Just including the flight details to show we travelled together & the desired return to show there is a flight available. It asks this on the online application.

[Deanozoff1]

Hi all,

Is the original English test certificate and a copy enough for the application or do I need to show more proof. I read I may need to supply evidence of actually taking the test.