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jengis wrote:I produced the following documents along with my wife. It was for a short visit for an important meeting in UK.
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4. A letter received from UK Immigration that I can travel to UK without a Visa (or even a Family permit).
You're right, I misread, apologies to all, ignore my inputObie wrote:It looks like you have not read the post at all, and things like this kind of winds me up.
The OP said, the presented their passport and Residence Card issued to her husband in Germany, which provides for a visa category, and a letter from the British Embassy, confirming that the spouse is entitled to travel visa free.
In light of all of that, why are you saying this?
Multi-tasking again Wanderer?Wanderer wrote:You're right, I misread, apologies to all, ignore my inputObie wrote:It looks like you have not read the post at all, and things like this kind of winds me up.
The OP said, the presented their passport and Residence Card issued to her husband in Germany, which provides for a visa category, and a letter from the British Embassy, confirming that the spouse is entitled to travel visa free.
In light of all of that, why are you saying this?
I am sure that that would not meet the burden of proof if the OP is the only one stating that he suffered facial abuse. There would presumably need to be corroborating proof.Obie wrote:It is very easy to prove as OP heard the language that was used on him.
The way I read it, I think the OP meant facial profiling as opposed to racially abusive language. If there was such language, that would be a criminal matter for the German authorities, not a mere civil matter.jengis wrote:of course, I was humiliated by facial abuse by their boarding staff.
Thank you, Vinny. This case history has made few points quite clear to me.vinny wrote:See also NIALL CALDWELL & Anor AGAINST EASYJET AIRLINE COMPANY Ltd [2015] ScotSC 64 (19 October 2015) for some useful information.
More.
Hungover....Casa wrote:Multi-tasking again Wanderer?Wanderer wrote:You're right, I misread, apologies to all, ignore my inputObie wrote:It looks like you have not read the post at all, and things like this kind of winds me up.
The OP said, the presented their passport and Residence Card issued to her husband in Germany, which provides for a visa category, and a letter from the British Embassy, confirming that the spouse is entitled to travel visa free.
In light of all of that, why are you saying this?
Well, every airline has a handbook and even the TIMATIC. In my case, nothing has been referred to. The girl in charge of the boarding counter simply said NO to my explanation as if she is the UK Queen. You won't believe it if I say that was it.Obie wrote:Just out of interest, do you think the training will be an appropriate remedy for the facial harassment that the OP said he faced from the officials?
In my experience, airline have a handbook that they consult in the event of uncertainty on travel visa requirements.
I suspect those officials may have consulted it, but the colour of OP'S skin was more of an irritation to them that the so call travel documents issue.
Yes, the residence card issued to me is an Article 10. It has the phrase "RESIDENCE CARD OF A FAMILY MEMBER OF A UNION CITIZEN", as demanded by the UK Government.secret.simon wrote:To the OP:
Would you know if the Residence Card issued to you was an Article 10 card (I presume so) or was it a domestic residence card under German law?
Well, I could not get the point clearly. Do you want me to request the court imposed supervised training for Easyjet staff instead of demanding compensation?secret.simon wrote:May I suggest that rather than seeking monetary damages, which the cases referred to by vinny suggest would be minimal (about £1400 for a couple), that you request a court imposed and supervised training course for Easyjet staff regarding EEA regulations & documents. Given that they fly mainly to European destinations, you would think that that is already the case, but as your case shows, that is a false assumption.
Just as a matter of interest, was the EJ employee at departure end British? I ask because whilst I know there is beloved everywhere, UK seems to have buried this practice more than most, and you'd think anyone working for a company that moves people from country to country would appreciate diversity. Also I've seen some terrible beloved in Germany when we lived there, my better half being Russian, often in inexplicable circumstances, namely my better half alone taking a taxi from Hamburger Flughaven, taxi driver gave her a torrent of anti-Russian abuse.jengis wrote:Well, every airline has a handbook and even the TIMATIC. In my case, nothing has been referred to. The girl in charge of the boarding counter simply said NO to my explanation as if she is the UK Queen. You won't believe it if I say that was it.Obie wrote:Just out of interest, do you think the training will be an appropriate remedy for the facial harassment that the OP said he faced from the officials?
In my experience, airline have a handbook that they consult in the event of uncertainty on travel visa requirements.
I suspect those officials may have consulted it, but the colour of OP'S skin was more of an irritation to them that the so call travel documents issue.
And all these happened on the first day evening 10 pm exact. We stayed there and went to meet the supervisor the next day, to get a chance to explain our cause. The Sup was never there from morning to evening till 3.30 pm and the same girl who denied me boarding came back to the counter again.
When I asked for a written confirmation, she said, "why do you want it?".
"I am the victim and I need a proof"
"Even if I give, you can never see London", she blasted.
"It is fine. London is not my destiny. But give me in writing whatever you want to say"
"go to UK and get it, if possible. I will never give"
So that was it.
I have no way of proving what she said. My wife was in tears. We simply left.
Dear wanderer, Please refer to the post by Vinny in the beginning and my reply to his post above.Wanderer wrote:Easyjet are surely within their rights to board/not to board who they like bearing in mind they are liable to be fined for landing passengers with incorrect papers.
"13.2.1 Travel Documents
You are responsible for obtaining and must possess and have available for presentation as required all travel documents (including Your Confirmation Document) and all entry and exit, health, medical and other documents required by any applicable laws, regulations, orders, demands or requirements of the countries to be flown from and into. Subject to any applicable passenger rights pursuant to any international or domestic laws or regulations to the contrary, We reserve the right to refuse carriage to any Passenger we reasonably believe has not complied with, or whose documents do not comply with, such applicable laws, regulations, orders, demands or requirements."
Difficult for both the airline staff and the airline passenger to know all the applicable laws, airline T&C's usually cover them in situations like these, leaves the passenger high and dry I'm afraid.
Yes I read it and I made a mess, I was wrong in what I said and have apologised, and I apologise again. I skip read sometimes and I'm guilty of that here.jengis wrote:Dear wanderer, Please refer to the post by Vinny in the beginning and my reply to his post above.Wanderer wrote:Easyjet are surely within their rights to board/not to board who they like bearing in mind they are liable to be fined for landing passengers with incorrect papers.
"13.2.1 Travel Documents
You are responsible for obtaining and must possess and have available for presentation as required all travel documents (including Your Confirmation Document) and all entry and exit, health, medical and other documents required by any applicable laws, regulations, orders, demands or requirements of the countries to be flown from and into. Subject to any applicable passenger rights pursuant to any international or domestic laws or regulations to the contrary, We reserve the right to refuse carriage to any Passenger we reasonably believe has not complied with, or whose documents do not comply with, such applicable laws, regulations, orders, demands or requirements."
Difficult for both the airline staff and the airline passenger to know all the applicable laws, airline T&C's usually cover them in situations like these, leaves the passenger high and dry I'm afraid.
" 'The Superior protection to passengers' rule can prevail over the Airlines rules"
Once I have checked in, it is the responsibility of Airlines to see me board the flight (At least they should be able to prove that they tried)
And I would request you to check the Immigration Carriers Liability Act (ICLA). Under the heading 8, you can see what they should have done before denying. They didn't do it either.