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Then you see it incorrectly. It was meant as an informative post that shows the possibilities of what can happen, given the news in Europe. Given the fact that most of the posts in these forums are all positive and gung-ho, a note of sobriety and reflection is not negativity or scare-mongering, but only perceived as so by people who would rather bury their head in the sand.alvarez0306 wrote:Or I actually look at your post to what it really is; a negative scare mongering and unhelpful post on an immigration forum.
Not everybody is as well-educated as you.alvarez0306 wrote:Oh and no need to put a hyperlink on the Cassandra word, I knew who it was but thanks for the link anyway very informative
It will certainly be an impetus to reform of the EU, at least of its hitherto free movement principles. Germany and Sweden, by their open-armed welcome of refugees, may just have destroyed the European dream.ohara wrote:Suspension of the Schengen area is quite a serious thing. If that actually happens then nobody can deny the EU is in trouble and needs to sort itself out.
I do not see a Brexit happening. But I certainly see a much changed and much diminished EU. An EU more like a customs union and a co-ordination committee than a political body in its own right.ohara wrote:More and more I can see a Brexit happening
ohara wrote:More and more I can see a Brexit happening
I see it more likely that Scotland leaves the UK than the UK leaves the EU. But should the latter happen, than the earlier would follow immediately.ohara wrote:More and more I can see a Brexit happening
Can Definetly see Scotland looking to leave uk if U.K. Leaves the eurooibos wrote:I see it more likely that Scotland leaves the UK than the UK leaves the EU. But should the latter happen, than the earlier would follow immediately.ohara wrote:More and more I can see a Brexit happening
I doubt it. Scotland would be foolish to leave the UK with the current low price of oil and the fact that most of its corporate wealth is in banks such as Lloyds, HBOS and RBS, which would relocate to the rUK in the event of a referendum to leave the UK.alvarez0306 wrote:Can Definetly see Scotland looking to leave uk if U.K. Leaves the eu
I wouldn't be so sure. The snp have made it clear that they will push for a second referendum on independence of the U.K. Was to vote to leave the eu and they were dragged out against their wishes. Nicola sturgeon is a very influential and popular person in Scotland, so i personally believe that they would have at least another referendum on Scotland's independence. The outcome on that second referendum I'm unsure of but I can see it being likely that Scotland could leave the uksecret.simon wrote:I doubt it. Scotland would be foolish to leave the UK with the current low price of oil and the fact that most of its corporate wealth is in banks such as Lloyds, HBOS and RBS, which would relocate to the rUK in the event of a referendum to leave the UK.alvarez0306 wrote:Can Definetly see Scotland looking to leave uk if U.K. Leaves the eu
Out-out? Don’t assume Scotland would want to stay in the EU if the UK votes to leave
A British departure from the EU will not inevitably lead to Scottish independence. Referenda are always unpredictable.
Also for those aware of British history, the reason for Scotland joining the UK was because it was broke, in the early part of the 18th century, due to the Darien Scheme. England insisted on a merger to ensure stability of Scottish finances. It is eerily reminiscent of the Eurozone debt crisis and the push towards monetary and fiscal policy being consolidated and centralised across the Eurozone.
ABBA did get it so right in 1974-"the history book on the shelf is always repeating itself" (Waterloo; at 0:22 into the song).
"A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots."alvarez0306 wrote:I wouldn't be so sure. The snp have made it clear that they will push for a second referendum on independence of the U.K. Was to vote to leave the eu and they were dragged out against their wishes. Nicola sturgeon is a very influential and popular person in Scotland, so i personally believe that they would have at least another referendum on Scotland's independence. The outcome on that second referendum I'm unsure of but I can see it being likely that Scotland could leave the uksecret.simon wrote:I doubt it. Scotland would be foolish to leave the UK with the current low price of oil and the fact that most of its corporate wealth is in banks such as Lloyds, HBOS and RBS, which would relocate to the rUK in the event of a referendum to leave the UK.alvarez0306 wrote:Can Definetly see Scotland looking to leave uk if U.K. Leaves the eu
Out-out? Don’t assume Scotland would want to stay in the EU if the UK votes to leave
A British departure from the EU will not inevitably lead to Scottish independence. Referenda are always unpredictable.
Also for those aware of British history, the reason for Scotland joining the UK was because it was broke, in the early part of the 18th century, due to the Darien Scheme. England insisted on a merger to ensure stability of Scottish finances. It is eerily reminiscent of the Eurozone debt crisis and the push towards monetary and fiscal policy being consolidated and centralised across the Eurozone.
ABBA did get it so right in 1974-"the history book on the shelf is always repeating itself" (Waterloo; at 0:22 into the song).
Again, this is my personal opinion, and not taken from any trustworthy sites such as 'wikipedia'
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I believe the fact I have a south London accent, have lived in England since I was 4, (I am now 27), have been educated here up to university and that I have been a serving member of a police force in this country for six years would make me more British then 'foreign'. The sarcasm probably runs through the familysecret.simon wrote:Casa, you have a wealth of apposite quotes.
alvarez0306, your excellent use of sarcasm shows you have truly become British.
Of the links that I provided, all but one were from sources other than Wikipedia, while the article from Wikipedia had sufficiently robust links referenced in it for it to warrant me taking it seriously.
As you are something of a doubter-which is not a bad thing. Indeed, I consider myself one as well-here is a quote with a link that I believe you would find impeccable.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.- Page 284 of The Life of Reason by George Santayana.
As an aside, I heartily recommend the book. It was so distracting that it delayed my response to this interesting thread.
Nicola Sturgeon has stated that she will only call for a referendum if she is confident that there is a strong chance she will win it. Given that in the event of Scottish independence, Scotland actually does have a lot to lose (Uncertain EU membership and currency status to begin with, practically no resources of significant value, and as an external border of the EU, the Scottish government may have no control of its only land border), I do not think that the Scottish people will rush head first towards the independence door. And if they were to, good fortune to them. It will be the EU who has to bail them out this time, not England.
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