Czech Republic and Schengen

flyboy · Post by **flyboy** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:00 pm

Thought the following link might be of some interest, regarding the czech republic's entry into schengen; as for the 31 st december 2007 mentioned in it, it should be the 21st december 2007:

http://www.mzv.cz/servis/soubor.asp?id=29070

Richard66 · Post by **Richard66** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:56 pm

I see they mention on the flyer that family members of EU citizens are exempt from short-stay entry visas if in possession of a residence card issued by any other EU and EEA state and Switzerland.

The United Kingdom insists that for entry Directive 2004/38/EC does not refer to residence cards issued by ANY EU and EEA state and Switzerland, but only to their own.

Another nail...

SMOOTH OPERATOR · Post by **SMOOTH OPERATOR** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:12 pm

Richard66 wot do u mean "The United Kingdom insists that for entry Directive 2004/38/EC does not refer to residence cards issued by ANY EU and EEA state and Switzerland, but only to their own".

my brain is a bit slow today lol

Richard66 · Post by **Richard66** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:48 pm

I mean just that: the UK authorities have told me only UK residence cards are valid for entry into the UK en lieu of a short-stay visa. Everyone else seems to interpret the Directive in another way, viz the Czech Republic. I'm taking the UK to the European Commission on that one.

Post by **Directive/2004/38/EC** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:43 am

Richard66 wrote:I see they mention on the flyer that family members of EU citizens are exempt from short-stay entry visas if in possession of a residence card issued by any other EU and EEA state and Switzerland.

The United Kingdom insists that for entry Directive 2004/38/EC does not refer to residence cards issued by ANY EU and EEA state and Switzerland, but only to their own.

Another nail...

This has been true for quite a while in CZ. Nice to see it put so clearly in an official brochure though!

Richard66 · Post by **Richard66** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:34 am

Indeed, I had seen it before (and sent it along to Brussels as evidence) on the Italian and Lithuanian sites of the Czech Embassy, but this was not posted on their British site.

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:41 am

SMOOTH OPERATOR wrote:Richard66 wot do u mean "The United Kingdom insists that for entry Directive 2004/38/EC does not refer to residence cards issued by ANY EU and EEA state and Switzerland, but only to their own".

my brain is a bit slow today lol

My two German friends visited us in UK last month and came in in their ID card thingies, like glorified library cards.

Post by **Directive/2004/38/EC** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:02 am

Wanderer wrote:My two German friends visited us in UK last month and came in in their ID card thingies, like glorified library cards.

Member states can issue ID cards to their citizens. They are, within the EU, fully equivalent to a passport. If you have one of these you do not need a member state passport. Germany has them. The UK is about to start issuing them.

SMOOTH OPERATOR · Post by **SMOOTH OPERATOR** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:17 am

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote: Member states can issue ID cards to their citizens. They are, within the EU, fully equivalent to a passport. If you have one of these you do not need a member state passport. Germany has them. The UK is about to start issuing them.

and do u think this so called ID Cards to be isued in the UK will be able to be used by spouses or relatives of UK nationals to travel without passports

Post by **Directive/2004/38/EC** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:28 am

SMOOTH OPERATOR wrote:
Directive/2004/38/EC wrote: Member states can issue ID cards to their citizens. They are, within the EU, fully equivalent to a passport. If you have one of these you do not need a member state passport. Germany has them. The UK is about to start issuing them.
and do u think this so called ID Cards to be isued in the UK will be able to be used by spouses or relatives of UK nationals to travel without passports

No. Everyone travelling must have their own travel document. Citizens of EU countries can carry either their passport or their nationally issued ID card. Their non-EU family must have their own passport.

SMOOTH OPERATOR · Post by **SMOOTH OPERATOR** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:51 am

oh ok thanks for clearin that.

another thing that has just crossed my mind if the UK govt. roll out the ID card scheme. would this result to re;atives of uk nationals required to apply for a card costing god knows how much and when they become uk citizens apply for an id card saying uk citizen or will the id card come with the uk passport when applied for?

Post by **Directive/2004/38/EC** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:21 am

I am not sure how the UK scheme will work.

But they will only be able to require the non-EU family of an non-UK EU citizen to get a card once they require all UK citizens to get it.

Richard66 · Post by **Richard66** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:58 am

I am not sure how the UK scheme will work.

Let's hope this ID nightmare never comes true. I have a good mind, if it ever does, to refuse flatly to provide the information they want. For what do they want it? So they can lose it and it falls into the hands of Uncle Bin, of Twin Towers fame?

That said, I have an Italian ID (they saw my passport, photographs and that I live where I say I live) which is not valid for travel. It's nothing like this Stalinist scheme of the UK Government to control all of us, however, but just a little slip of coloured paper issued by the local Town Hall.

flyboy · Post by **flyboy** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:33 pm

Just wanted to let you'll know that the Czech Embassy in Bern,Switzerland refuses to issue a Schengen visa to spouses/registered partners of Swiss citizens that hold valid swiss residence permits. According to them, they do not need to obtain a schengen visa . I assume this applies to spouses/registered partners/family members of EU/EEA citizens too.

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