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help on Naturalization

Post by jaas » Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:01 pm

Hi All,

Any help would be much appreciated...

I am about to apply for naturalization ...then realized after looking at fees..It would be very economical if I make joint application (myself and my wife). I don't see any problem with my application. But my wife has some excess absences for last five years and as well last year also. Her absences for last 5 years were 482 days and 134 days in last one year.

Please could you give me your expert options on shall I include my wife's application or wait for some more and then apply together once her absences fall into 90 days for last year.

Many Thanks
jaas

jaas
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Post by jaas » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:37 am

Please let me know anyone successfull with excess absences

Thanks
Jaas

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Post by Mr Rusty » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:08 pm

Jaas,
I can see why you're asking - cost for a joint application £735, single applications would be £655 x 2, so you can gamble £80 to save £575.

But I wonder if there is any gamble involved, because all the fees are asterisked, and the relevant note says that £80 will be refunded for an unsuccessful application. If the worst came to the worst, they could hardly refuse you because she doesn't qualify, so you may have nothing to lose.

Her total days aren't a huge amount over 450, and perhaps she can come up with some special compassionate or other reason why her absence in the last year was excessive.

I have no direct knowledge of this situation, but my inclination would be to make a joint application.

jaas
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Post by jaas » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:45 pm

Thanks a lot Mr Rusty.

I am happy to take that gamble. I just want to find out anyone already been through this kind of situation and has some experience or our forum experts like you opinions about what I should do.

I am not sure what's going to happen to her future application if its rejected. I am currently going through other threads and checking other people experiences.

Its always better to check with other people when we have such a great forum like this.

jaas
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Post by jaas » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:25 pm

I just did bit of search on forum and found the following stuff ...

... Thanks to Joseph for this ...I am not sure is he still around ...but really useful if its still valid (dated April 2004)

FYI --if anyone needed...


4. Excess absences in the 5(3) year qualifying period


4.1 Under paragraph 2 and 4 of Schedule 1 to the British Nationality Act 1981, there is discretion to waive excess absences in the qualifying period. We should normally consider exercising this discretion as set out below, but only when we are satisfied that applicants have genuinely thrown in their lot with the United Kingdom and meet the other requirements.


4.1.1 Absences totalling 480 (300) days - normally disregard.


4.1.2 Total Absences of up to 900 (540) days - consider disregarding only if the application is otherwise in order, and if applicants have established their home, family and a substantial part of their estate here. We should also expect:

a. at least 2(1) years residence (without substantial absences) immediately prior to the 5(3) year qualifying period. If the period to be disregarded is greater than 730 (450) days, the period of prior residence should be at least 3(2) years; or

b. the excess absences to have been due either to postings abroad in Crown service under the government of the United Kingdom - for example as a member of HM Forces - or to accompanying a British citizen spouse on an overseas appointment (see also paragraph 6 below where the appointment is in Crown or designated service); or

c. the excess absences to have been an unavoidable consequence of the nature of a career (for example a merchant seaman or someone in UK-based business or employment which requires frequent travel abroad); or

d. exceptionally compelling reasons of an occupational or compassionate nature to justify naturalisation now, including, for example, because the applicant has a firm offer of a job for which British citizenship is a statutory or professional requirement.


4.1.3 Only if it is clear from the information we have that the above considerations are met may the excess absences be disregarded. In some cases, it may be necessary to make further enquiries (e.g. using the RESIDENCE QUESTIONNAIRE) before a decision is made.

4.1.4 It would be extremely rare for absences exceeding 900/540 days to be waived. Applicants with absences exceeding 900/540 days should normally be refused and invited to re-apply when they are better able to bring themselves within the statutory requirements. If the circumstances of an individual case suggest the waiver of absences on this sort of scale, the papers should be considered at a senior level.

4.2 All cases involving consideration of the exercise of discretion for the reasons at c. and d. in paragraph 4.1.2 and in paragraph 4.1.4 above should be sent to INPD(L) Policy Section for noting on completion, whether the application is granted or refused.


5. Excess absences in the final year


5.1 In s.6(1) cases, we should normally exercise discretion over absences in the final year only if the future intentions requirement is met (see Annex G). If that requirement is met, and in s.6(2) cases, the following should apply:


5.1.1 Total absences not exceeding 100 days - normally disregard.


5.1.2 Total absences of more than 100 days but not more than 180 days where the residence requirements over the full 5(3) year qualifying period are met - consider disregarding if applicants have demonstrated links through the presence here of family, an established home and a substantial part of their estate.


5.1.3 Total absences of more than 100 days but not more than 180 days where the residence requirements over the full 5(3) year qualifying period are not met - consider disregarding only if:


a. applicants have demonstrated that they have made this country their home by establishing home, family and a substantial part of their estate here; and

b. the absence is justified by Crown service or by compelling occupational or compassionate reasons, taking account of the examples at b, c. and d. in paragraph 4.1.2 above.


5.1.4 Total absences exceeding 180 days where the residence requirements over the full 5(3) year qualifying period are met - consider disregarding if the criteria in paragraph 5.1.3 are met.


5.1.5 Total absences exceeding 180 days where the residence requirements over the full 5(3) year qualifying period are not met - consider disregarding only in the most exceptional circumstances and where the criteria in paragraph 5.1.3 are met (a decision to waive excess absences in these circumstances should be referred to INPD(L) Policy Section for noting on completion).

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