Job code confusion

[Ishika]

I see same job code 2139 is listed in two different places and has got different job description.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration ... -and-above
The detials says:
2139 Information technology and telecommunications professionals not elsewhere classified Example job tasks
• undertakes the testing of software, systems or computer games for errors, identifies source of problems and proposes solutions;
• develops, implements and documents test plans for IT software, systems and computer games;
• develops quality standards and validation techniques;
• makes recommendations concerning software/system quality;
• examines IT system for potential threats to its security and integrity and draws up plans for disaster recovery if security is compromised;
• deals with and reports on breaches in security.

Related job titles:
• IT consultant
• Quality analyst (computing)
• Software tester • Systems tester (computing)
• Telecommunications planner

Salary rates:
New entrant: £21,600
Experienced worker: £28,900

[Source: Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings 2016] RQF 6


This job code is also used in SOC list with below description:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration ... ation-list

2139 Information technology and communications professionals not elsewhere classified Only the following job in this occupation code:

Cyber security specialist employed by a qualifying company, where the job requires a person with a minimum of five years’ relevant experience and demonstrable experience of having led a team.


Now my situation is that I had entered UK in 2014 with Job Code 2139 (as software tester which was individual contributor role, i.e. not managing a team). I am due to promotion to QA Manager and I also work in cyber security company. I understand that my responsibilities are slightly changed however the new jobcode if get applied will be same as 2139 (from the SOC list). Does my employer need to do RLMT?

If anyone know why same jobcode is being used with two different job descriptions?

Many thanks
Ishika

[srsw]

The cyber security specialist role is in shortage occupation list, but the other one (testing, QA, etc. roles) are not. There are few roles that are like this.

If you are with the same employer and the new job is within the same SOC code then you don't need to make a change of employment application.

Check exceptions under tier 2 guidance "Change of employment application" section for full details.

[Ishika]

Thanks for the reply.

I would like to clarify further on this, is the job code 2139 in shortage occupations list and the job code 2139 in standard list are considered same job code even if their job description is different?

I am close to apply ILR later this year and hence trying to be more cautious.

Thanks again
Ishika

[srsw]

Yes, because the SOC code, job title, job type, summary of job description, RLMT, etc. details are mentioned on the CoS, so there wouldn't be any confusion if your job is from the shortage occupation list or not.

[Ishika]

Thanks srsw!


My employer is trying to update my detail in ‘Sponsor Management System’ on the basis of ‘change in core duties, but the job is within the same SOC and being paid appreciate salary’.

However the new SOC is from shortage occupation list while originally I enter UK on the basis of 2139 from the standard occupation list.

Looks like there will be no new CoS.

Does it sound right to you?

Thanks again
Ishika

[srsw]

Thanks srsw!


My employer is trying to update my detail in ‘Sponsor Management System’ on the basis of ‘change in core duties, but the job is within the same SOC and being paid appreciate salary’.

However the new SOC is from shortage occupation list while originally I enter UK on the basis of 2139 from the standard occupation list.

Looks like there will be no new CoS.

Does it sound right to you?

Thanks again
Ishika

From your initial post "I am due to promotion to QA Manager and I also work in cyber security company"... this means (my opinion) your promoted job is NOT on shortage occupation list. It may not matter if the company is cyber security company. Your job responsibilities dictate if it matches more with Cyber security specialist role (shortage occupation) or other jobs listed under SOC 2139 (non-shortage occupation jobs)

[Ishika]

Hi srsw!

We are team of security testers. We ensure the product is safe from any cyber security threats any other vulnerabilities.

Applying your vast knowledge in this area, could kindly help me to understand what other job code can be applied to Software QA Managers?

Many thanks as usual
Ishika

[srsw]

Hi srsw!

We are team of security testers. We ensure the product is safe from any cyber security threats any other vulnerabilities.

Applying your vast knowledge in this area, could kindly help me to understand what other job code can be applied to Software QA Managers?

Many thanks as usual
Ishika

I'm no expert in this area, however, going back to non-shortage occupation job responsibilities (that you posted in your first post), the following description matches with your job responsibilities right? I just deleted a few bits to simplify...

Example job tasks

• undertakes the testing of software, systems for errors, identifies source of problems and proposes solutions;
• develops quality standards and validation techniques;
• makes recommendations concerning software/system quality;
• examines IT system for potential threats to its security and integrity and draws up plans for disaster recovery if security is compromised;
• deals with and reports on breaches in security.

So, why you think your new role falls under cyber security specialist/shortage occupation list?

[Ishika]

I am happy to be in my original job code which is easy in a way that no RLMT required. But I wasn’t sure if with additional managerial responsibility can I still be in my original job code.

If you notice, 2139 shortage occupation code list leadership experience and 2139 in standard code does not, inclination towards 2139 shortage occupation code was because that it’s more senior (leadership role) and my employer thought we can use it being a cyber security specialist.

I must appreciate your patience with me, it is absolutely confusing and hence I posted here with the title ‘ job code confusion’

Millions of thanks
Ishika

[srsw]

No worries. I'm just conveying my interpretation of the guidelines/rules. I also work in IT, so I know testing and cyber security roles.

I think both options (shortage & non-shortage options) have it's own pros and cons in your situation, however, sticking to same role makes a bit easier for you in your journey to promotion and ILR.

Btw, you can wait for senior members/moderators second opinion on this topic if needed.

[srsw]

This thread kind of covers aspects of what you need to be aware, however, the topic is for new job applicants and not for promotion/change within same SOC code/company I guess.

http://www.immigrationboards.com/uk-tie ... 74340.html