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Eight years now before you be naturalised!

Post by Siggi » Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:53 pm

According to the Daily Mail 12/07/08 next month HO will announce the new laws re: citizenship.

Guess what, you will now need to wait EIGHT YEARS, before applying for naturalisation.
But wait here the coconut, if you to prove an active part in the local comminity, you can apply after six years.!So work 10 hours a day and paying max does'nt count??

Mean while case resolution people get given ILR for free.

Now I'am really p....off!

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bleh

Post by ribena » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:00 pm

shit*y aint it to wait for that long? not everyone have the time or resources to do volunteering work.

pah!

has the law been passed or they are tinkering with the idea(s) still?

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Post by Eugene_UK » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:43 pm

I understand that this is a draft only - you can check progress on the Parliament`s web-site:

http://www.commonsleader.gov.uk/output/page2441.asp

From what I have learnt I can guess that it usually it takes about 6 months+ for the bill to pass through different stages unless it gets Royal assent.

You can check progress here:

http://www.commonsleader.gov.uk/output/page2133.asp
Let`s hope it will take longer than 6 months+! My application is due in Jan 2009 :lol:

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Post by Siggi » Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:09 pm

Eugene,
I hope that you are right, however I'm not so sure, the HO track record to date of arrogance and steam rolling bad law's through at break neck speed.
Be prepared for the worst.
By the way I'm also due for Naturalisation in Jan 09

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Post by aboudi » Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:41 pm

they say it currently takes 5 years in the news paper report for naturalisation , how misleading is this! the new bill of law will have to be announced in the queens speach in November before proceedings for it to become the new immigration act. I envisage it to become law around April 2009 at the earliest. I am also applying for naturalisation Jan 09.

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Post by Eugene_UK » Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:45 pm

Siggi, Aboudi, let`s hope we will get through!
My ex-immigration adviser says that it is highly unlikely that new rule will affect people with ILR and new legislation will be implemented in 2010 only. I was trying to find any preliminary dates but nothing appears to be said by HO officials when new chages take place.
We can only hope that even if the final draft tabled in November as was planned we at least can expect couple of months for the whole system to be changed. Fingers crossed...or in the worst case scenario we will have to do some voluntary work to qualify for 1 year after ILR rule :lol: . I do not think that after going through all this we will vote for Labour as many commentators expected in their comments on the Daily Mail web-site.
So with all caution I will be optimistic: as JS repeatedly mentioned few times that she does not want people with ILR to remain long without British nationality - I guess they let us (ILR holders) get BC under old rules and the new legislation will be applied to those who do not have ILR, hence 2010 date (would be great to have some good immigration figures before the election on the 3 June 2010 - new system in place from 1 January, great figures by May - how does it sound?8) ).
The whole bill is complete nonsense and hollow headline grabbing activity. I was thinking that government in my home country is not competent but it seems that it is the same all over the world - politicans made out of some other stuff.

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Post by Christophe » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:12 am

Eugene_UK wrote:I do not think that after going through all this we will vote for Labour as many commentators expected in their comments on the Daily Mail web-site.
I am not going to suggest how anyone ought to vote, but merely say what I have said before: I think that all those eligible to vote should do so, not forgetting that Commonwealth citizens who are living in the UK can be on the electoral roll (in fact, they are required to be) and are entitled to vote...

Just saying...

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Post by Christophe » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:16 am

aboudi wrote:they say it currently takes 5 years in the news paper report for naturalisation , how misleading is this!
This is because nationality legislation regarding acquisition of citizenship and immigration legislation are no longer in step with each other. I don't know whether this effect was deliberate on the part of the Government, or whether they realised that this would be the effect of changes in the legislation and decided that it didn't matter, or whether they didn't even realise the implications of the changes in this regard. Perhaps it doesn't matter in the overall scheme of things, but in any case it is confusing and, I would submit, seems to be the result of ill-thought through tinkering...

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Post by Siggi » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:44 am

Christophe,
I don't undertsand what you mean by nationality legislation and immigration legislation no longer in step with each other.

The big question is when will this new crack pot idea be enforced?

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Post by Christophe » Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:29 am

Siggi wrote:Christophe,
I don't undertsand what you mean by nationality legislation and immigration legislation no longer in step with each other.

The big question is when will this new crack pot idea be enforced?
All I meant was that, under the nationality laws, five years' legal residence in the UK is required for the "usual" route to naturalisation, but that most people now need to have six years' residence to qualify because, under the immigration laws, they can't get indefinite leave to remain (ILR) until the end of their fifth year of legal residence, and it is then in turn a requirement under the nationality laws to have ILR for a year before they can apply for naturalisation.

As I said it may not matter, but I suspect that it's a sign of woolly thinking on the part of the government. Until the government fiddled around with the legislation, the two sets of laws dove-tailed neatly together, which aided clarity and tended to minimise the need for people to apply for extensions to leave and the like.

I'm not of course saying that the immigration or nationality laws should never be changed, but rather that they should not be changed without all the implications of the changes being fully thought through. I'd also submit that it should rarely be necessary to change these pieces of legislation quickly or in a "knee-jerk" sort of way, which I think that this government has done on a number of occasions (and has then had to pick up the pieces with subsequent bits of secondary legislation or further regulatory changes to deal with messes of their own making).

That's all: it's more an academic point than a practical one, in a way, but unfortunately it's symptomatic, I'd say, of sloppiness and things not being properly though through, and this sloppiness has real effects on real people.

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Post by Siggi » Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:39 am

Thanks Christophe, you do make sense.

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Post by aboudi » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:30 pm

Does anyone know how the new immigration bill will effect Non- EU nationals who are EU family members? If they will phase out permanent residence (ILR) does this not contrevene with EU directives? Bearing in mind permanent residence under new rules is aquired after 8 years not 5 as per EC directives, another contradiction.

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Post by TinTinTin » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:52 am

Eugene_UK wrote:You can check progress here:

http://www.commonsleader.gov.uk/output/page2133.asp
Let`s hope it will take longer than 6 months+! My application is due in Jan 2009 :lol:

Good link. Thank you.

So I understand that it takes atleast 6+ months from "1st Reading" to "Royal Assent". Good thing is 'Immigration bill' is yet to kick-start its first stage :-D

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