Very Urgent - Kindly have a look || Previous refusal in VAF9

[Korey]

Hi I am all set to submit my application for Tier 1 General and have a very urgent question regarding the section 6.4 of VAF9 , where there is a question regarding:
Have you ever been refused a visa for any counrty including UK?

I have been refused a student visa for the US back in 2003 and there is a stamp from US consul saying application recived on the last page of my passport with the date. I do not have a reference number but the remember the reason as funds. Should i mention this or not.

FYI i had been granted student visa to UK in the same year in december and have completed my Masters degree in UK. Please advice and i would be really greatful for any response or help on this matter.

Thanks a lot for your time and help

Korey

[CoolestGuyC]

I have been refused a student visa for the US back in 2003 and there is a stamp from US consul saying application recived on the last page of my passport with the date. I do not have a reference number but the remember the reason as funds. Should i mention this or not.

Yes you should definitely mention that, there is no harm in mentioning. As you got student Visa to uk in same year, they definitely know about your US Visa refusal (bcos it is standard practice for us consulate to stamp rejection on last page of passport as "Application received" stamp) and most probably, uk ECO's know this and might have seen the stamp when you applied for student visa itself.

My point is, why risk a 10 year ban, by lying? (when there is nothing to lose by declaring it).
Also explaination for us visa refusal (and subsequently getting a successful uk student visa) in application form or covering letter would be sufficient I guess.

[Korey]

HI CoolestGuyC,
Thanks for your prompt response in this. I have another doubt where there is a question regarding application to the homeoffice to remain in the UK in the last 10 years.

While I was in the UK, there was a work permit application made by a potential employer and it was turned down due to the vacancy not advertised properly( But I had a valid student visa during this period). Since it was made by a company on my behalf, I do not have any of the details for this. Would this also qualifyin the above category? (Application to home office to remain in UK in the last 10 years?)). Kindly advice. If i have to mention this also, I may have to get all the details from the organization that made the application on my behalf.

Also before leaving the UK, I enrolled for a Phd programme after completing my Masters and was granted a visa by home office from 21Aug 2006 till 21 Oct 2007, but since I got a full time job back in India, I leaft the UK finally on 7th December 2006 itself and did not complete the PhD programme. There is an immigration stamp on my passport that confirms this date. Should i mention this also in the additional information section or is it not required. Please advice.

Thanks

Korey

[jagacharaja]

It's quite simple really... do not hide anything! You should feel free to explain your circumstances/perspective in the cover letter.

[geriatrix]

While I was in the UK, there was a work permit application made by a potential employer and it was turned down due to the vacancy not advertised properly( But I had a valid student visa during this period). Since it was made by a company on my behalf, I do not have any of the details for this. Would this also qualifyin the above category? (Application to home office to remain in UK in the last 10 years?)). Kindly advice. If i have to mention this also, I may have to get all the details from the organization that made the application on my behalf.

If the question is regarding leave to enter / remain applications, then this never reached that stage. This was a WP application made by your potential employer ... not by you!

Also before leaving the UK, I enrolled for a Phd programme after completing my Masters and was granted a visa by home office from 21Aug 2006 till 21 Oct 2007, but since I got a full time job back in India, I leaft the UK finally on 7th December 2006 itself and did not complete the PhD programme. There is an immigration stamp on my passport that confirms this date. Should i mention this also in the additional information section or is it not required. Please advice.

The leave was granted, though it is another matter that you decided not to utilize it and this decision (to not utilize it) has no bearing. So you can confidently state in the form that you were granted leave to remain and provide the reference number (alphanumeric number on the top-right corner of the visa stamp).

regards

[Korey]

Hi Sushdmehta,
Thanks for your help.Actually there is question 6.4 on VAF9 which states the following :
6.4 Have you ever been refused a visa for any country including the UK?
Answer ‘Yes / No’
If ‘Yes’ please provide details below
If you were refused a visa for the UK please enter either your Home Office reference number which is prefixed with the first letter of your family name, for example Smith = S12345 or your UKvisas reference number in the following format XXX/123456 (the XXX is the country or post location abbreviation, for example New York is NYC).

There is also a question 6.8, which is the following:

6.8 Have you made an application to the Home Office to remain in the UK in the last 10 years?
Answer ‘Yes / No’
If ‘Yes’ please provide details below
This is when you have been to the UK previously and made a formal application to extend your conditions of stay for whatever reason. You should also say if you have applied to extend your stay but left the UK before receiving a reply. Please give the reason for the application and why you were refused, if applicable, in the box provided. You must enter your Home Office reference number which is prefixed with the first letter of your family name, for example Smith = S12345.

So from what you are saying both these are for either for Entry clearance or Leave to remain and you are correct that my WP application did not reach the LTR stage, so can i just mention that a WP application was made in the covering letter or should i just check with BHC on this aspect.

Since Tier 1 is a new process and I really want to be sure, I am asking this and please dont mistake me that I am asking the same question again.

So please let me know if i can proceed with mentioning all the Visa details from passport for above 2 questions and just mention the WP application being made in covering letter or is it not necessary?

Please also let me know if its a good idea to email BHC /VFS on this before submitting the application.

Thanks a ton!!!!!

Karthik

[Korey]

Hi Guys,
Please have a look at this post. I am in very urgent need of advice on this. As described in the last post i have decided to just mention that a Work permit was filed on my behalf by a potential employer in the UK, during my stay and decided to give the name and HR details of the company.

I am not mentioning this in the section 6 of VAF9.

Please let me know if this approach is ok?

Thanks and Really look forward for u'r reply!!

Korey

[geriatrix]

6.4 Have you ever been refused a visa for any country including the UK?
Answer ‘Yes / No’

Yes, Mention the US student visa refusal.

6.8 Have you made an application to the Home Office to remain in the UK in the last 10 years?
Answer ‘Yes / No’

Yes, and mention that you were application for leave to remain was successfully approved. Mention relevant details if asked.

I don't think you need to mention about the WP application by your employer 'coz -
a) you weren't the one who made the application, and
b) it was not a "visa" application anyway.
But even if you mention it in the cover letter (rest in peace that you haven't hidden a fact), I guess there is no harm as this shouldn't have a bearing on your application. If you do decide to mention this in the cover letter, then do make it clear that this is not reflected in the application form because the WP application was refused and an application for EC / LTR on basis of WP was never made.

I would suggest that you check with BHC (and not VFS) directly to be 100% sure about this WP issue.

regards

[Korey]

Hi,
I have emailed BHC about this and I dont seem to get any response by mail . Do you think its a good idea to call them or should i go ahead since WP was not a Visa application and submit my Tier 1 without mentioning anything about the workpermit.

Thanks

Korey