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You have to be resident in the UK by 31.12.2020 - not just staying in a hostel as a visitor and coming back later - then you can apply for settled status (deadline for all is 30.6.2021).isabelll wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:46 pmHello!. I am a resident of the EU and I had planned to move to the UK in October, however, due to the Covid, I am going to move in January 2021. To avoid the process of applying for the point-based tier, I have thought in staying the minimum required time in the UK this year to obtain a pre-settled status. My question is, what is the minimum time living in the UK required to obtain a pre-settlement status?. I am going to live in a hostel which I am going to pay weekly. Could the receipts be proof that I am living in the UK?.
Regards.
Every time you have an "amazing idea", you need to think that many other people may have had the same idea and the Home Office must see tons of applications with the same pattern.isabelll wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:46 pmHello!. I am a resident of the EU and I had planned to move to the UK in October, however, due to the Covid, I am going to move in January 2021. To avoid the process of applying for the point-based tier, I have thought in staying the minimum required time in the UK this year to obtain a pre-settled status. My question is, what is the minimum time living in the UK required to obtain a pre-settlement status?. I am going to live in a hostel which I am going to pay weekly. Could the receipts be proof that I am living in the UK?.
Regards.
You are effectively saying you intend to circumvent UK immigration laws. In that light, no one in this forum can advise you how to do that, since that goes agains these forum's rules.
Well, actually I am not trying to circumvent UK immigration laws at all, I am just trying to do a simpler process. I am going to live in the UK but I find much more simple to obtain a pre-Settlement status for five years rather than applying for a student visa and later for a point-based worker visa. It is not trying to trick Home Office, I am going to stay rightfully in the UK with a student visa or with a pre-settlement status. I am just asking for information about such status.
Let's see: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries. ... circumvent
Trying to find a simpler way around the immigration rules that should apply to you, is effectively trying to circumvent immigration rules.circumvent something: to find a way of avoiding a difficulty or a rule
That's not what's under dispute. What is questionable is how you are planning to justify your eligibility to the EUSS to the Home Office.I am going to live in the UK
Well that's the point. Do you think you are the only person? You and anyone else would find it simpler, hence why you and anyone else would prefer to benefit from it. The Home Office is completely aware of this.I find much more simple to obtain a pre-Settlement status for five years rather than applying for a student visa and later for a point-based worker visa.
You clearly stated that:It is not trying to trick Home Office
Hopefully all of our answers here have clarified the consequences of your intentions, and how you should approach your future immigration plans.I am going to stay rightfully in the UK with a student visa or with a pre-settlement status. I am just asking for information about such status.
Staying in the UK in a hostel for a couple of weeks will likely not be seen as residence, but as visiting. You would want to do more than visiting to be able to come back later in 2021.isabelll wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:07 pmWell, actually I am not trying to circumvent UK immigration laws at all, I am just trying to do a simpler process. I am going to live in the UK but I find much more simple to obtain a pre-Settlement status for five years rather than applying for a student visa and later for a point-based worker visa. It is not trying to trick Home Office, I am going to stay rightfully in the UK with a student visa or with a pre-settlement status. I am just asking for information about such status.
In theory you are right. It's possible to an EEA national to book a room at Gatwick for the night and during these shorts hours in the UK fill an EU Settlement Scheme for himself, spouse, parents and in-laws.I have not seen any rules or procedures that stipulate a genuine residence test, or distinguishes between hotel or flat residence.
I do not think it is circumvent. That term has connotations of abuse or creating some artificial conditions, just to show formalities are met.kamoe wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:45 pmI kindly invite you to assume responsibility for what you say, and to be consistent. Also please remember this is all to help you make the right decisions.Let's see: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries. ... circumventTrying to find a simpler way around the immigration rules that should apply to you, is effectively trying to circumvent immigration rules.circumvent something: to find a way of avoiding a difficulty or a ruleThat's not what's under dispute. What is questionable is how you are planning to justify your eligibility to the EU Settlement Scheme to the Home Office.I am going to live in the UKWell that's the point. Do you think you are the only person? You and anyone else would find it simpler, hence why you and anyone else would prefer to benefit from it. The Home Office is completely aware of this.I find much more simple to obtain a pre-Settlement status for five years rather than applying for a student visa and later for a point-based worker visa.
To benefit from the easier, simpler route of EU Settlement Scheme, you need to comply with the requirements, not simply make it look like you comply with the requirements.You clearly stated that:It is not trying to trick Home Office
1. It is your intention to move in January 2021.
2. It is your intention to come earlier and stay in a hostel for the "the minimum required time in the UK this year to obtain a pre-settled status".
3. This is "To avoid the process of applying for the point-based tier".
Are you comfortably admitting to the Home Office all three points above? If the answer is No, then your actions have the intent of tricking the Home Office.Hopefully all of our answers here have clarified the consequences of your intentions, and how you should approach your future immigration plans.I am going to stay rightfully in the UK with a student visa or with a pre-settlement status. I am just asking for information about such status.
I'd like to say, let's agree to disagree. I do think this could be described as circumvention, but having dived into the EUSS case worker guidelines, I think that for these applications, just as is happening for applications for non-EU dependent parents, where dependency is assumed, the Home Office is being explicitly and particularly tolerant of circumventions, and residence is assumed! (See further details below).
I apologise if that's the message implied. Not at all. If the OP can arrange to genuinely move to the UK before her course starts next year, then by all means she is in her right to do it.To say she should wait until 01-01-2021, the month she is meant to relocate, sounds absurd to me.
(See section 'Evidence of residence' in the EUSS caseworker guidance)• a passport stamp confirming entry at the UK border - this will be treated as
evidence of residence for the month of entry
• a used travel ticket confirming previous inbound travel to the UK - this will be
treated as evidence of residence for the month of entry
What proof do you think be sufficient for you to show after 31 Decemebr 2020, that you can stay in the UK for more than 3 months? To show educational institutions that you study in the UK? To show employers that you can work in the UK? Show landlords you can rent in the UK? Show the NHS that you can use it bill free; will a Spanish EHIC will cover you from 1 January 2021 if needs be? Pre-Settled status being granted will prove all the above, but that takes months to be granted.
If people are in the UK before 31st Dec.2020 which is the exit date, I think they can still rely on their European ID to proof their rights to be in the UK until June 2021 which hopefully by then will have put in an application and would have been issued with a COA or pre settled status. I stand to be corrected if am wrong.JB007 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:15 pmWhat proof do you think be sufficient for you to show after 31 Decemebr 2020, that you can stay in the UK for more than 3 months? To show educational institutions that you study in the UK? To show employers that you can work in the UK? Show landlords you can rent in the UK? Show the NHS that you can use it bill free; will a Spanish EHIC will cover you from 1 January 2021 if needs be? Pre-Settled status being granted will prove all the above, but that takes months to be granted.
For those moving to the UK at the last minute, how will a European ID being shown after 31 December 2020, be proof of resisiding in the UK by 31 Decemeber 2020, to showe a landlord/letting agent, NHS staff, potential employers, a university etc? I'm not saying it can't be done, but I'm wondering how that would work?naa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:57 pmIf people are in the UK before 31st Dec.2020 which is the exit date, I think they can still rely on their European ID to proof their rights to be in the UK until June 2021 which hopefully by then will have put in an application and would have been issued with a COA or pre settled status. I stand to be corrected if am wrong.JB007 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:15 pmWhat proof do you think be sufficient for you to show after 31 Decemebr 2020, that you can stay in the UK for more than 3 months? To show educational institutions that you study in the UK? To show employers that you can work in the UK? Show landlords you can rent in the UK? Show the NHS that you can use it bill free; will a Spanish EHIC will cover you from 1 January 2021 if needs be? Pre-Settled status being granted will prove all the above, but that takes months to be granted.
I understand Pre-Settled status is straightforward and confirmed within 48 hours if the applicant has some record of residence in the UK, e.g. a NI number and/or record of employment (contributions to national insurance). I this is not the case, then yes, this confirmation of status can take longer.
Thank you kamoe. I knew the HO could use the applicants NINo to be able to automatically check they are paying taxes in the UK or their UK welfare benefits record, as proof they are in the UK for the settlement scheme.kamoe wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:39 pmI understand Pre-Settled status is straightforward and confirmed within 48 hours if the applicant has some record of residence in the UK, e.g. a NI number and/or record of employment (contributions to national insurance). I this is not the case, then yes, this confirmation of status can take longer.
Hence why some of us have suggested it is preferred to genuinely start the move and conduct actions that are aligned with future residence, at least getting a NI number, rather than simply visiting for a few days. This will expedite the confirmation of status.
Hence the soonest one moves to the UK the better, to avoid being in limbo for too long.