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UKVI unlawfully exclude EFM from new application

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UKVI unlawfully exclude EFM from new application

Post by Obie » Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:18 am

The UK government has issued new applications for EFM applying from today.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... rm-eea-efm

The application states that EFM of British Citizen should not use the form as there is no provision for them.

It is unclear if they are referring to Surinder Singh British Citizen, which will be unlawful or normal British citizen, which will not.

The EEA Regulations 2016 should operate until 31 December 2020.

Therefore an application saying this is plainly wrong.
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Re: UKVI unlawfully exclude EFM from new application

Post by Zerubbabel » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:27 am

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I need to double check but I think that the Surinder Singh was always about close family members. Extended were never listed as eligible.

https://www.gov.uk/family-permit/surinder-singh

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Re: UKVI unlawfully exclude EFM from new application

Post by Obie » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:32 am

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Re: UKVI unlawfully exclude EFM from new application

Post by vinny » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:32 am

Have they also forgotten naturalised EU-British citizens?
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Re: UKVI unlawfully exclude EFM from new application

Post by vinny » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:38 am

Obie wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:32 am
That is not correct.

Banger Case does not support it.
Indeed.
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Re: UKVI unlawfully exclude EFM from new application

Post by Obie » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:42 am

I would love to challenge this, but will have no standing to do so at present, without a live case.

They are trying to prevent OFM returning before 31-12-2020 from qualifying under the settlement scheme, as even though the scheme will be open to them, they cannot apply under it until they have received a residence card.
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Re: UKVI unlawfully exclude EFM from new application

Post by vinny » Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:11 pm

Yes.

The provisions for extended family members of some British citizens are in 9 and 9A. To say that
Please do not use this application form if you are the ‘extended’ family member of a British citizen as there is no provision to issue a registration certificate or a residence card. Please read the guidance on our website for further information.
is clearly wrong.
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Re: UKVI unlawfully exclude EFM from new application

Post by Obie » Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:17 pm

I fully agree that this is wrong.

Not sure if there is a competent civil servant lawyer advising them to do this.

The most disturbing thing about this reference to a guidance that supports their new position, is that one does not exist. The guidance issued on 27-03-2020 itself, does not support this.

The EEA Regulations 2020 ceases to have effect on the 31-12-2020.
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Re: UKVI unlawfully exclude EFM from new application

Post by vinny » Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:35 pm

I hope that eligible extended family members of British citizens are not mislead nor hindered by a false statement of fact.
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Re: UKVI unlawfully exclude EFM from new application

Post by Obie » Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:41 pm

I will suggest that beneficiaries of Regulation 9 and 9A, simply boycot the form..

Use the payment slip attached, and explain the basis of their qualification.

The government may have a case for
EFM of UK citizens applying after 31-12.

For Lounes cases, they have a right under the withdrawal agreement.

Their durable partners will be permitted to apply even after Dec 31, provided the relationship started before that.

Therefore the UK government is planly wrong in its approach.
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Re: UKVI unlawfully exclude EFM from new application

Post by Zerubbabel » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:49 pm

Obie wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:41 pm
Therefore the UK government is planly wrong in its approach.
The current British administration has gone rogue in many aspects. The immigration is just one of them.

They bet on the fact that most people won't have the money to go to court and challenge wrong Government decisions. Many will just abandon their rights because they can't afford the fight.

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