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Child registration with parent Citizen via Descent after their birth

Post by Halimat » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:31 am

Hi,

I am new here and I just need a bit of clarification please . I am a British citizen by descent. My mum was a British citizen by birth. I applied for my British passport and got it in 2014. had my first son abroad in 2013. I was eventually able to apply for a spouse visa for him and my husband.

We are struggling to meet the spouse visa application due to the pandemic as we need to show a threshold of £22400 for my husband and son.

Based on the previous post here I should be able to apply to get him registered under Section 3(1) since I acquired
my British citizenship after I had him abroad . Also since I won't be qualified to register him under Section (5) ?

I will be grateful if I get a response.

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Re: Child registration with parent Citizen via Descent after their birth

Post by vinny » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:52 am

When were you born? If you were born overseas from 1983 to a mother who was born in the UK, then you are automatically British by descent since birth, irrespective of when you had applied for a British passport.

How long have your children been in the UK?
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Re: Child registration with parent Citizen via Descent after their birth

Post by Halimat » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:48 am

vinny wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:52 am
When were you born? If you were born overseas from 1983 to a mother who was born in the UK, then you are automatically British by descent since birth, irrespective of when you had applied for a British passport.

How long have your children been in the UK?
Hi , thanks.

I was born abroad in 1988. I am a British citizen by descent.

My first on was born abroad in 2013. He only moved to the UK on 13 May 2018 on a spouse visa with my husband.

He has two younger siblings born in the UK and they have their British Passport. My first son and husband's visa run out in 12 Feb 2021 . My first son and his dad have only been in the UK for 2 years and 5 months.

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Re: Child registration with parent Citizen via Descent after their birth

Post by vinny » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:24 am

I think your son will be entitled to register under Section 3(5) after spending 3 years in the UK.
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Re: Child registration with parent Citizen via Descent after their birth

Post by Halimat » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:28 am

vinny wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:52 am
When were you born? If you were born overseas from 1983 to a mother who was born in the UK, then you are automatically British by descent since birth, irrespective of when you had applied for a British passport.

How long have your children been in the UK?

So since I am already a British Citizen by descent I must apply under section 3(5) then. Can I apply before the end of the 3rd year. His visa will run out early February.

Do I need to still join him on my husband's spouse visa extension (Further leave to remain) or can I register him as a British citizen before the visa expires even if it is few months less than the 3 years?

We will not meet up the financial threshold (£22400) due to the pandemic. We may meet up the (£18600) for my husband's spouse visa extension alone.

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Re: Child registration with parent Citizen via Descent after their birth

Post by vinny » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:15 am

Son may not succeed, if he registers too early. Registering before leave expires doesn't extend leave. However, I believe he may not require leave when registering.

He may be subject to NHS charges during the time he overstays before getting citizenship.
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Re: Child registration with parent Citizen via Descent after their birth

Post by Halimat » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:48 am

vinny wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:15 am
Son may not succeed, if he registers too early. Registering before leave expires doesn't extend leave. However, I believe he may not require leave when registering.

He may be subject to NHS charges during the time he overstays before getting citizenship.
Thanks a lot for this. This is very helpful. I think we will apply for further leave to remain for my husband alone.

As for my son, as soon as he had stayed here for 3 years we will apply to get him registered under Sec 3(5) then.

Can you kindly refer me to any law that allows a child that has overstayed to be registered ?

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Re: Child registration with parent Citizen via Descent after their birth

Post by vinny » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:16 am

Registration as British citizen: children
The law in relation to section 3(5)
Legitimated children are entitled to registration as a British citizen under section 3(5) of the British Nationality Act 1981 if:
• they were born outside the UK
• at the time of the birth they had a parent who was a British citizen by descent
• they are under the age of 18 when the application is made
• the child and both of their parents were in the UK at the beginning of the 3 year period ending with the date of the application
• the child and both of their parents have not been absent from the UK for more than 270 days in that 3 year period
• the consent of both parents is given to the application
children aged 10 or over on the date of application are of good character
There is no discretion to accept a longer period of absence than 270 days in the 3 years before the date of the application.
If the child was born before 1 July 2006, and the parents were not married, all references to a parent are references to the mother only, unless the child’s birth was legitimated by the parents subsequent marriage.
If the child was born on or after 1 July 2006 and the parents were not married, all references to a parent are references to the mother, and also the father if he satisfies the definition of father.
The residence requirements need be met only by the child and either one of their parents if on or before the date of the application either:
• the child’s mother or father has died
• the parents’:
o marriage or civil partnership had ended in divorce or dissolution
o were legally separated on the date of the application
If either one of the parents has died, only the consent of the surviving parent is required. See parental consent.
If child is under 10, then there is no requirement to satisfy the Good character requirements. Moreover, overstaying by children may be disregarded.
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Re: Child registration with parent Citizen via Descent after their birth

Post by Halimat » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:39 pm

vinny wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:16 am
Registration as British citizen: children
The law in relation to section 3(5)
Legitimated children are entitled to registration as a British citizen under section 3(5) of the British Nationality Act 1981 if:
• they were born outside the UK
• at the time of the birth they had a parent who was a British citizen by descent
• they are under the age of 18 when the application is made
• the child and both of their parents were in the UK at the beginning of the 3 year period ending with the date of the application
• the child and both of their parents have not been absent from the UK for more than 270 days in that 3 year period
• the consent of both parents is given to the application
children aged 10 or over on the date of application are of good character
There is no discretion to accept a longer period of absence than 270 days in the 3 years before the date of the application.
If the child was born before 1 July 2006, and the parents were not married, all references to a parent are references to the mother only, unless the child’s birth was legitimated by the parents subsequent marriage.
If the child was born on or after 1 July 2006 and the parents were not married, all references to a parent are references to the mother, and also the father if he satisfies the definition of father.
The residence requirements need be met only by the child and either one of their parents if on or before the date of the application either:
• the child’s mother or father has died
• the parents’:
o marriage or civil partnership had ended in divorce or dissolution
o were legally separated on the date of the application
If either one of the parents has died, only the consent of the surviving parent is required. See parental consent.
If child is under 10, then there is no requirement to satisfy the Good character requirements. Moreover, overstaying by children may be disregarded.
Thanks alot.

I have another question please. Their passports have expired and they are yet to get a date for an appointment in the Nigerian Embassy. So I believe the should apply with the expired one stating the reasons why they are using an expired passport. Is there anything else they are required to do please?

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Re: Child registration with parent Citizen via Descent after their birth

Post by Halimat » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:30 pm

Hi,

I hope I am asking the questions in the right thread..

I am due to apply for an extension of my husband's spouse visa.

I have however not be able to secure a permanent job. I'd like to kindly check if I can apply with the following payslips under Category B:


Feb 2019: Maternity Allowance: £594
March 2019 : Maternity Allowance: £594
April 2019: Maternity Allowance: £382
May 2019: nil
June - September: Contract job on a weekly pay summing up to £5659
October 2020 to Jan 2021: Starting another contract job £9.50 paid weekly for at least 12 weeks hopefully summing up to £4104 . My husband and I have got the same job so this will be multiplied by two. Total is £8208.
Second job for me alone for the same period £9.11 for 12 weeks is £4372.
My husband is also an accessor for a university and is being paid per number of scripts marked. He has earned £4000 from May -Dec 2020.

Total of all is ££23809

He will be applying with our son so the financial threshold is £22400.

Can we combine all these income to meet the requirements under Category 2 please?

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Re: Child registration with parent Citizen via Descent after their birth

Post by Halimat » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:19 pm

Halimat wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:30 pm
Hi,

I hope I am asking the questions in the right thread..

I am due to apply for an extension of my husband's spouse visa.

I have however not be able to secure a permanent job. I'd like to kindly check if I can apply with the following payslips under Category B:


Feb 2019: Maternity Allowance: £594
March 2019 : Maternity Allowance: £594
April 2019: Maternity Allowance: £382
May 2019: nil
June - September: Contract job on a weekly pay summing up to £5659
October 2020 to Jan 2021: Starting another contract job £9.50 paid weekly for at least 12 weeks hopefully summing up to £4104 . My husband and I have got the same job so this will be multiplied by two. Total is £8208.
Second job for me alone for the same period £9.11 for 12 weeks is £4372.
My husband is also an accessor for a university and is being paid per number of scripts marked. He has earned £4000 from May -Dec 2020.

Total of all is ££23809

He will be applying with our son so the financial threshold is £22400.

Can we combine all these income to meet the requirements under Category 2 please?
Can someone kindly help me with this please?

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