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Can ILR be revoked

Post by sosolid1234 » Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:22 am

Hi Guys,

My friend says I should use his case for ILR. He was given despite the fact that he was late in applying for previous student applications. I was refused because I was late in applying and therefore deemed as an overstayer.

I would like to use my friends case but do not want to put his status in jeopardy. Therefore I would like to know if the Home office can turn to him and revoke his ILR. His had it for over 9 months now.

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Post by vinny » Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:41 am

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Thanks

Post by sosolid1234 » Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:47 am

Just wanted to say Thanks Vinny you are a Top man.

He does not have any of the issues pointed out in the document but i will confirm from my lawyers aswell thanks a lot

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Re: Thanks

Post by paulp » Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:13 pm

sosolid1234 wrote:
Just wanted to say Thanks Vinny you are a Top man.

He does not have any of the issues pointed out in the document but i will confirm from my lawyers aswell thanks a lot
sosolid, your friend's caseworker used his discretion whereas your's did not. You probably should focus on why your case merits a favourable decision rather than his caseworker used discretion, mine should as well.

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Re: Thanks

Post by sosolid1234 » Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:23 pm

paulp wrote:
sosolid1234 wrote:
Just wanted to say Thanks Vinny you are a Top man.

He does not have any of the issues pointed out in the document but i will confirm from my lawyers aswell thanks a lot
sosolid, your friend's caseworker used his discretion whereas your's did not. You probably should focus on why your case merits a favourable decision rather than his caseworker used discretion, mine should as well.
Thats the point there is no reason why discretion was used for his and not mine we were both out of time when we made previous student applications.

Moreover, his file got lost and they never found his file in the system showing he was late but upon requesting the file I noticed that he was late and the HO actually commented on the physical file that he was late/out of time.

So please tell me why they used discretion for him and not for him. Is this not a violation of Article 14 as well

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Re: Thanks

Post by Wanderer » Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:45 pm

sosolid1234 wrote:
paulp wrote:
sosolid1234 wrote:
Just wanted to say Thanks Vinny you are a Top man.

He does not have any of the issues pointed out in the document but i will confirm from my lawyers aswell thanks a lot
sosolid, your friend's caseworker used his discretion whereas your's did not. You probably should focus on why your case merits a favourable decision rather than his caseworker used discretion, mine should as well.
Thats the point there is no reason why discretion was used for his and not mine we were both out of time when we made previous student applications.

Moreover, his file got lost and they never found his file in the system showing he was late but upon requesting the file I noticed that he was late and the HO actually commented on the physical file that he was late/out of time.

So please tell me why they used discretion for him and not for him. Is this not a violation of Article 14 as well
How long ago was ur friends ILR? The HO is imposing the rules to the letter now, still within the rules but more strictly applied.
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Re: Thanks

Post by paulp » Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:45 pm

sosolid1234 wrote:So please tell me why they used discretion for him and not for him. Is this not a violation of Article 14 as well
No, it's just that, it's the caseworker's own personal "discretion", a personal judgement if you want. By definition, if there's no discretion, it should be a rule.

A caseworker's discretion does not bind another caseworker.

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Post by paulp » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:08 pm

And if you do a search on the forum, you'll see more people being refused than those who benefited from any discretion.

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Post by sosolid1234 » Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:44 pm

paulp wrote:And if you do a search on the forum, you'll see more people being refused than those who benefited from any discretion.
Hi Paul,

I think you misunderstood my query, the applications made were under the new rules which do not allow discretion therefore a caseworker cannot give discretion to another application and not be bind by it. Like you said it is a rule and therefore one rule for all and not a different rule for another. Discretion was removed from the new rule but not mentioned if it has been totally disregarded or not, discretion is silent in the new rule therefore everyone should be treated equally. If case workers are working on separate rules then it is a problem for the HO. Either there is discretion in the rule or Not let it be clear.

If you were in my shoes would you not want to know why you were refused and others were given if you are all said to have the same issues
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Re: Thanks

Post by sosolid1234 » Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:46 pm

Wanderer wrote:
sosolid1234 wrote:
paulp wrote:
sosolid1234 wrote:
Just wanted to say Thanks Vinny you are a Top man.

He does not have any of the issues pointed out in the document but i will confirm from my lawyers aswell thanks a lot
sosolid, your friend's caseworker used his discretion whereas your's did not. You probably should focus on why your case merits a favourable decision rather than his caseworker used discretion, mine should as well.
Thats the point there is no reason why discretion was used for his and not mine we were both out of time when we made previous student applications.

Moreover, his file got lost and they never found his file in the system showing he was late but upon requesting the file I noticed that he was late and the HO actually commented on the physical file that he was late/out of time.

So please tell me why they used discretion for him and not for him. Is this not a violation of Article 14 as well
How long ago was ur friends ILR? The HO is imposing the rules to the letter now, still within the rules but more strictly applied.
His was 9 months ago 2 months after I applied so I would have thought they would be more strict on his application than mine. Do you think is valid for me to point that I have an Article 14 right. which means that I am not being treated as everyone else and I have a case(my friends application) to prove it

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Post by paulp » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:29 am

sosolid1234 wrote:Hi Paul,

I think you misunderstood my query, the applications made were under the new rules which do not allow discretion therefore a caseworker cannot give discretion to another application and not be bind by it. Like you said it is a rule and therefore one rule for all and not a different rule for another. Discretion was removed from the new rule but not mentioned if it has been totally disregarded or not, discretion is silent in the new rule therefore everyone should be treated equally. If case workers are working on separate rules then it is a problem for the HO. Either there is discretion in the rule or Not let it be clear.

If you were in my shoes would you not want to know why you were refused and others were given if you are all said to have the same issues
Which "new rules" are you referring to and where does it say that they don't allow discretion?

I refer you to the IDIs for the long residence category:
"2.3. DECIDING WHETHER TO GRANT LEAVE
It is important to remember that possession of the required period of continuous
residence in the UK does not entitle the applicant to a grant of leave, but only to be
considered for a grant. Whether leave is granted or not is a matter of judgement."

A few lucky people are still being granted ILR in the 10-year category even though their residence may not be continuous (overstay). But I cannot see how these lucky few can then be used to change the nature of the 10-year continuous legal residence category by making the home office accept illegal periods of overstay. It just wouldn't be 10-year continuous legal stay anymore, would it?

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Post by paulp » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:53 am

sosolid, we've had a discussion along the same lines before and you were trying to "change the law". Again, do realise that you are going against the very nature of the 10 year continuous legal residence rule.

Only discretion could have helped you, but only a lucky few are benefiting from it. Give it your best shot but stay realistic.

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Re: Thanks

Post by republique » Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:04 am

sosolid1234 wrote:
Wanderer wrote:
sosolid1234 wrote:
So please tell me why they used discretion for him and not for him. Is this not a violation of Article 14 as well
How long ago was ur friends ILR? The HO is imposing the rules to the letter now, still within the rules but more strictly applied.
His was 9 months ago 2 months after I applied so I would have thought they would be more strict on his application than mine. Do you think is valid for me to point that I have an Article 14 right. which means that I am not being treated as everyone else and I have a case(my friends application) to prove it
Why are you discussing this point again. You asked about discretion and why why why in the thread ILR refused for 67 days lateness.
And I said then and you agreed, that there were points in your friends case that were different and that the better approach was not to be concerned about why he got discretion and you didn't because that is how discretion works.

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