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Dear MarcidevPALmarcidevpal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:02 pmHi NAD,chopwell20 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:36 pmmarcidevpal wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:09 pmWe now have four types of Zambrano carers
1.) Zambrano carers based in an EU member state;
2.) Zambrano carers based in the UK, who never applied for leave to remain under Appendix FM;
3.) Parents who applied for leave to remain under Appendix FM and then later applied for a derivative residence card; and,
4.) Zambrano carers based in the UK who applied for leave to remain under Appendix FM.
Group 1 will now have permanent residence after 5 years under the 2003 Directive (as long as they meet the basic requirements).
Group 2 seems to have been granted settlement by the Home Office.
Group 3 seem unlikely to ever get EU settlement because the Court of Appeal ruled they are not really Zambrano carers.
Group 4 represents two groups. The first group managed to get settlement either by going to court or because the Home Office gave them residence. The second group, the Akinsaya group, are fighting for residence.
It seems to me, all Zambrano carers should be treated the same way.
Dear MarcidevPAL,
Thank you very much for your comprehensive and informative explanation. Your insights have been incredibly valuable and I am grateful for your time and generosity in sharing your knowledge with me and the other members of this forum.
I am interested to know more about your research, specifically if it would be beneficial for individuals like myself who fall into group 3 or 4 to pursue an appeal procedure. I understand that you have put a lot of effort into your research and I am grateful for the opportunity to learn from your findings.
I hope this message finds you well and I appreciate any guidance or insights you can provide.
Sincerely,
NAD
People generally appeal if they feel they have a strong (or at least valid) argument, can afford it (or qualify for legal aid), and they understand how far they want to go.
If you go down the appeal route, you may want to ask yourself how far you are willing to take your fight? To the Supreme Court? To the European Court of Human Rights? That may take years and cost a lot of money. And, you still may lose.
You should also ask yourself why you want to appeal? Is it to make a larger point about human rights, or the treatment of Zambrano carers? Or is it just about you? And, if it is just about you, why not consider applying to or remaining on the Appendix FM route?
Another question to ask yourself is, how important to you is to obtain eligibility under the EU rules versus the UK Immigration Rules? If your goal is to ultimately become a citizen or get a British passport, does it matter if you qualify via the EU rules or the UK rules? Some people may be concerned about what they perceive to be the apparent ease with which their UK citizenship can be taken away, and may feel safer if they obtain settlement via the EU scheme.
So, I don't have an answer for you. Just questions you may want to consider. I don't think anyone can tell you to appeal on the EU Settlement Scheme outright if you are a Zambrano carer. The chances of success seem low - at least in the first stages based on recent rulings. But if you have researched the rulings and feel confident, you may want to seek legal advice.![]()
Hi NAD,chopwell20 wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 3:33 pmDear MarcidevPAL
Thank you for your kind words. I deeply appreciate your dedication, guidance, and the value of the information you provided.
During the period of waiting for my appeal decision, I maintained a calm and focused demeanor, thanks to the invaluable assistance and guidance you provided me with. Your expertise and advice equipped me with the necessary tools to construct a compelling case and fortified my mindset for the upcoming battle.
I am immensely grateful to report that my appeal has been allowed. This outcome stands as a testament to the meticulous preparation and the professional approach we adopted throughout the process. Your guidance played a pivotal role in shaping the arguments and evidence presented, which ultimately led to this favorable resolution.
Once again, please accept my sincere appreciation for your unwavering support and the valuable insights you shared. Your contribution has not only assisted me in achieving a positive outcome but has also broadened my understanding and strengthened my skills for future endeavors.
Thank you for being an invaluable source of wisdom and inspiration, and for helping me navigate through this challenging phase of my life..
Congratulations NAD! How exciting you must be feeling right now!chopwell20 wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 3:33 pmDear MarcidevPALmarcidevpal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:02 pmHi NAD,chopwell20 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:36 pmmarcidevpal wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:09 pmWe now have four types of Zambrano carers
1.) Zambrano carers based in an EU member state;
2.) Zambrano carers based in the UK, who never applied for leave to remain under Appendix FM;
3.) Parents who applied for leave to remain under Appendix FM and then later applied for a derivative residence card; and,
4.) Zambrano carers based in the UK who applied for leave to remain under Appendix FM.
Group 1 will now have permanent residence after 5 years under the 2003 Directive (as long as they meet the basic requirements).
Group 2 seems to have been granted settlement by the Home Office.
Group 3 seem unlikely to ever get EU settlement because the Court of Appeal ruled they are not really Zambrano carers.
Group 4 represents two groups. The first group managed to get settlement either by going to court or because the Home Office gave them residence. The second group, the Akinsaya group, are fighting for residence.
It seems to me, all Zambrano carers should be treated the same way.
Dear MarcidevPAL,
Thank you very much for your comprehensive and informative explanation. Your insights have been incredibly valuable and I am grateful for your time and generosity in sharing your knowledge with me and the other members of this forum.
I am interested to know more about your research, specifically if it would be beneficial for individuals like myself who fall into group 3 or 4 to pursue an appeal procedure. I understand that you have put a lot of effort into your research and I am grateful for the opportunity to learn from your findings.
I hope this message finds you well and I appreciate any guidance or insights you can provide.
Sincerely,
NAD
People generally appeal if they feel they have a strong (or at least valid) argument, can afford it (or qualify for legal aid), and they understand how far they want to go.
If you go down the appeal route, you may want to ask yourself how far you are willing to take your fight? To the Supreme Court? To the European Court of Human Rights? That may take years and cost a lot of money. And, you still may lose.
You should also ask yourself why you want to appeal? Is it to make a larger point about human rights, or the treatment of Zambrano carers? Or is it just about you? And, if it is just about you, why not consider applying to or remaining on the Appendix FM route?
Another question to ask yourself is, how important to you is to obtain eligibility under the EU rules versus the UK Immigration Rules? If your goal is to ultimately become a citizen or get a British passport, does it matter if you qualify via the EU rules or the UK rules? Some people may be concerned about what they perceive to be the apparent ease with which their UK citizenship can be taken away, and may feel safer if they obtain settlement via the EU scheme.
So, I don't have an answer for you. Just questions you may want to consider. I don't think anyone can tell you to appeal on the EU Settlement Scheme outright if you are a Zambrano carer. The chances of success seem low - at least in the first stages based on recent rulings. But if you have researched the rulings and feel confident, you may want to seek legal advice.![]()
Thank you for your kind words. I deeply appreciate your dedication, guidance, and the value of the information you provided.
During the period of waiting for my appeal decision, I maintained a calm and focused demeanor, thanks to the invaluable assistance and guidance you provided me with. Your expertise and advice equipped me with the necessary tools to construct a compelling case and fortified my mindset for the upcoming battle.
I am immensely grateful to report that my appeal has been allowed. This outcome stands as a testament to the meticulous preparation and the professional approach we adopted throughout the process. Your guidance played a pivotal role in shaping the arguments and evidence presented, which ultimately led to this favorable resolution.
Once again, please accept my sincere appreciation for your unwavering support and the valuable insights you shared. Your contribution has not only assisted me in achieving a positive outcome but has also broadened my understanding and strengthened my skills for future endeavors.
Thank you for being an invaluable source of wisdom and inspiration, and for helping me navigate through this challenging phase of my life..
chopwell20 wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 3:33 pmDear MarcidevPALmarcidevpal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:02 pmHi NAD,chopwell20 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:36 pmmarcidevpal wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:09 pmWe now have four types of Zambrano carers
1.) Zambrano carers based in an EU member state;
2.) Zambrano carers based in the UK, who never applied for leave to remain under Appendix FM;
3.) Parents who applied for leave to remain under Appendix FM and then later applied for a derivative residence card; and,
4.) Zambrano carers based in the UK who applied for leave to remain under Appendix FM.
Group 1 will now have permanent residence after 5 years under the 2003 Directive (as long as they meet the basic requirements).
Group 2 seems to have been granted settlement by the Home Office.
Group 3 seem unlikely to ever get EU settlement because the Court of Appeal ruled they are not really Zambrano carers.
Group 4 represents two groups. The first group managed to get settlement either by going to court or because the Home Office gave them residence. The second group, the Akinsaya group, are fighting for residence.
It seems to me, all Zambrano carers should be treated the same way.
Dear MarcidevPAL,
Thank you very much for your comprehensive and informative explanation. Your insights have been incredibly valuable and I am grateful for your time and generosity in sharing your knowledge with me and the other members of this forum.
I am interested to know more about your research, specifically if it would be beneficial for individuals like myself who fall into group 3 or 4 to pursue an appeal procedure. I understand that you have put a lot of effort into your research and I am grateful for the opportunity to learn from your findings.
I hope this message finds you well and I appreciate any guidance or insights you can provide.
Sincerely,
NAD
People generally appeal if they feel they have a strong (or at least valid) argument, can afford it (or qualify for legal aid), and they understand how far they want to go.
If you go down the appeal route, you may want to ask yourself how far you are willing to take your fight? To the Supreme Court? To the European Court of Human Rights? That may take years and cost a lot of money. And, you still may lose.
You should also ask yourself why you want to appeal? Is it to make a larger point about human rights, or the treatment of Zambrano carers? Or is it just about you? And, if it is just about you, why not consider applying to or remaining on the Appendix FM route?
Another question to ask yourself is, how important to you is to obtain eligibility under the EU rules versus the UK Immigration Rules? If your goal is to ultimately become a citizen or get a British passport, does it matter if you qualify via the EU rules or the UK rules? Some people may be concerned about what they perceive to be the apparent ease with which their UK citizenship can be taken away, and may feel safer if they obtain settlement via the EU scheme.
So, I don't have an answer for you. Just questions you may want to consider. I don't think anyone can tell you to appeal on the EU Settlement Scheme outright if you are a Zambrano carer. The chances of success seem low - at least in the first stages based on recent rulings. But if you have researched the rulings and feel confident, you may want to seek legal advice.![]()
Thank you for your kind words. I deeply appreciate your dedication, guidance, and the value of the information you provided.
During the period of waiting for my appeal decision, I maintained a calm and focused demeanor, thanks to the invaluable assistance and guidance you provided me with. Your expertise and advice equipped me with the necessary tools to construct a compelling case and fortified my mindset for the upcoming battle.
I am immensely grateful to report that my appeal has been allowed. This outcome stands as a testament to the meticulous preparation and the professional approach we adopted throughout the process. Your guidance played a pivotal role in shaping the arguments and evidence presented, which ultimately led to this favorable resolution.
Once again, please accept my sincere appreciation for your unwavering support and the valuable insights you shared. Your contribution has not only assisted me in achieving a positive outcome but has also broadened my understanding and strengthened my skills for future endeavors.
Thank you for being an invaluable source of wisdom and inspiration, and for helping me navigate through this challenging phase of my life..
Thank you for this information Marcidevpal, I am positively waiting for the outcome of my appeal next month. Not long now. I’m very nervous! You’ll be the first to know regardless of the outcome!marcidevpal wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 10:19 amHey, Hey @Wishfulgirl
Great to hear from you! You must be excited to get a decision soon.![]()
It seems you are the only one left on this forum.
I assume the other views are from people in other Appendix EU categories.
I will target my updates to your situation. Your case is really strong, by the way.
I am confident you will win.
However, just to be safe, you may want to consider the following in case the FtT judge says no
1.) The judge may have ignored key facts. For example, some First-tier Tribunal judges are ignoring the fact that people are Zambrano carers - even those who held derivative residence cards. They ignore Zambrano carers who were recognised by the First-tier Tribunal judges.
2.) Take all the facts your judge ignored and put them into your appeal to the Upper Tribunal. They should be listed as errors of law.
3.) Look at the other types of errors of law. See if your FtT judge made other types of errors.
4.) Remember, you only have 14 days to send in your appeal.
5.) Another FtT judge will decide if you should be allowed to appeal. If they say no, that is ok. You have another chance.
6.) Send your second request for an appeal to the Upper Tribunal. Add more errors of law, or clean up your first document so it reads better. An Upper Tribunal judge willl look at this request. Hopefully, you will be allowed to appeal.
7.) If you are allowed to appeal to the Upper Tribunal, the Home Office will possibly send in a Rule 24 Response. The Home Office will say why they object to you being granted an appeal.
8.) The Court should send you a copy of the Rule 24 response that the Home Office sent in. You can email them and remind them.
9.) The thing about the Rule 24 response is, the Home Office can request an IN PERSON HEARING. So, your appeal before an Upper Tribunal judge may not happen on the papers.
10.) Moreover, the judge can change the hearing to in person if they feel like it.
11.) You probably want to be represented by a direct access barrister at this hearing. Or you may want to hire a solicitor, who will find a barrister for you.
12.) You may want to get legal aid to pay for representation. You may want to start getting your paperwork together soon. If you have everything ready to go, it should be less stressful.
Summary: When convenient, you may want to
a.) prepare your errors of law spreadsheet
b.) prepare your financial information to apply for legal aid
Krish is our newest detective! Great work!
Thank you all for your congratulations. I submitted an appeal at the end of December, and it was allowed in early March. However, I have not received any letter from the Home Office indicating whether they accept or challenge the appeal. Surprisingly, the tribunal has no record of the permission to appeal being submitted even after 60 days. The Home Office is not responding with any further action, such as issuing settled status.marcidevpal wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 5:44 pmNAD WINS!!! HURRAH!!
Hi NAD,chopwell20 wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 3:33 pmDear MarcidevPAL
Thank you for your kind words. I deeply appreciate your dedication, guidance, and the value of the information you provided.
During the period of waiting for my appeal decision, I maintained a calm and focused demeanor, thanks to the invaluable assistance and guidance you provided me with. Your expertise and advice equipped me with the necessary tools to construct a compelling case and fortified my mindset for the upcoming battle.
I am immensely grateful to report that my appeal has been allowed. This outcome stands as a testament to the meticulous preparation and the professional approach we adopted throughout the process. Your guidance played a pivotal role in shaping the arguments and evidence presented, which ultimately led to this favorable resolution.
Once again, please accept my sincere appreciation for your unwavering support and the valuable insights you shared. Your contribution has not only assisted me in achieving a positive outcome but has also broadened my understanding and strengthened my skills for future endeavors.
Thank you for being an invaluable source of wisdom and inspiration, and for helping me navigate through this challenging phase of my life..
I thought maybe people could find a use for my suggestions.
I am humbled when people actually do work them into their submissions.
You perservered, even when things looked dire for Zambrano carers.
You did the work.
And I am beyond thrilled you won!!!
Britain is indeed a better country for granting residence to Zambrano carers like you.
I am also grateful to the judges for hearing your arguments. It shows they are listening.
Everyone, if you are there... Will you take a moment to please congratulate NAD?
NAD's win is a win not just for him and his family.
It's a win for us all.
Cheers,
MaricDevPal