Advise Regarding Travel

[Manj2023]

Good Afternoon All,

I came to this country on Tier 2 General route. Me, my wife and my daughter were all granted ILR (under Tier 2 General dependent) in September 2021.

We have now decided to apply for British Citizenship, but now confuse if we are covered for below situation:

We all need to travel back home for marriage end of August this year. We are planning to apply for British Citizenship first week of June. May I ask if we are still okay, to travel Pakistan in end of August as I cannot cancel my flights due to non refundable.

I have read few answers regarding travel abroad after submitting British citizenship application, but still confuse. May someone please share your expert advise on my personal scenario:

Travelling Pakistan 31/08/23
Returning 11/09/23

Planning to apply British citizen application: 5/6/23
My understanding is that I need to be here for Biometric. I presume that free slots may not be available, so if I go with paid slot I believe I should get it within a month. So if I submit my biometric before travelling to Pakistan, will this be okay.

Now what I understand is that I should get a decision within 6 months, let say (Scenario 1), I get the decision before 31/8/23 do I then cancel my travel and need to book for ceremony or will I get number of days to book ceremony so that it gives me enough time to come back.

Also am I applying for citizenship using the below link:
https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... onality-an


I am so sorry if multiple people have asked the same question in the past, but if someone please share your expert advise I will be grateful.

[secret.simon]

You can travel while the application is in progress.

You have 21 days from the date of approval to book an appointment with the local council for the citizenship ceremony.

The citizenship ceremony should be attended within three months of the data of approval.

Make sure that somebody is checking your post, to alert you of the approval post.

[Manj2023]

Many thanks for your explanation. So as I am only travelling to Pakistan for 10 days, if I suppose I get approval letter before my travel I can always select ceremony date after I come back from Pakistan, this way I can still use my ILR to travel and enter in UK, Please correct me if I am wrong

Also lets say I get approval letter during my trip to Pakistan, as you mentioned I have 21 days to book appointment, so I am still cover if no one is at home to look at the letter. As I will be out for 10 days, so I will still have 11 days left to book appointment if the letter comes when I fly to Pakistan. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Hence I am basically covered in both options.

Thanks for confirming that I need to book ceremony within 3 months. Finally if I say that my application process goes so fast that I get approval way before I travel Pakistan, I will still have option to book ceremony after I come back from Pakistan. This will still let me travel on ILR and come back to UK, as I have not attended the ceremony so I am not British citizen.

Please advise above if I am wrong in understanding.

[AmazonianX]

Many thanks for your explanation. So as I am only travelling to Pakistan for 10 days, if I suppose I get approval letter before my travel I can always select ceremony date after I come back from Pakistan, this way I can still use my ILR to travel and enter in UK, Please correct me if I am wrong Correct

Also lets say I get approval letter during my trip to Pakistan, as you mentioned I have 21 days to book appointment, so I am still cover if no one is at home to look at the letter. As I will be out for 10 days, so I will still have 11 days left to book appointment if the letter comes when I fly to Pakistan. Please correct me if I am wrong. Correct

Hence I am basically covered in both options.

Thanks for confirming that I need to book ceremony within 3 months. Finally if I say that my application process goes so fast that I get approval way before I travel Pakistan, I will still have option to book ceremony after I come back from Pakistan. This will still let me travel on ILR and come back to UK, as I have not attended the ceremony so I am not British citizen.

Please advise above if I am wrong in understanding. You are correct in understanding.

[Manj2023]

Many thanks for the clarification. So I have started filling the form.

Myself, my wife and my daughter will be applying for naturalisation together. May you please help me if I have to choose yes for below question or no. I know this has been asked several times, but I couldn't find the suitable answer

Non-applying dependants

Do you have any dependants not applying with you at this time?

Yes or NO.

As I am applying with my dependent so do I just select YES.

[alterhase58]

Many thanks for the clarification. So I have started filling the form.

Myself, my wife and my daughter will be applying for naturalisation together. May you please help me if I have to choose yes for below question or no. I know this has been asked several times, but I couldn't find the suitable answer

Non-applying dependants

Do you have any dependants not applying with you at this time? Clearly NO unless you actually have other dependents not applying with you.

Yes or NO.

As I am applying with my dependent so do I just select YES.NO.

[Manj2023]

Thanks for the confirmation. I will select NO as I am applying with dependents.

[Manj2023]

Hi All, I have filled mine and my mrs form online, now I am adding my daughter as under 18 child, but under the question registering child as british citizen it is asking me :

Are either of the parents of the child (as stated in this application) applying for naturalisation as a British citizen on an AN form?

Sorry I am not familiarise with AN form ? I am thinking to select yes as my daughter was born in Pakistan and as she is applying with me now so am I supposed to be selecting Yes to this answer.
If I then select Yes it gives me following option :

I would still like my child (as stated in this application) to be registered as a British citizen even if my own application for British citizenship is refused.

Your help will be highly appreciated.

[Manj2023]

Also I have started filling naturalisation form using the below link, is this correct as I am confuse with terms AN and MN1

https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... onality-an

[alterhase58]

Hi All, I have filled mine and my mrs form online, now I am adding my daughter as under 18 child, but under the question registering child as british citizen it is asking me :

Are either of the parents of the child (as stated in this application) applying for naturalisation as a British citizen on an AN form?

Sorry I am not familiarise with AN form ? I am thinking to select yes as my daughter was born in Pakistan and as she is applying with me now so am I supposed to be selecting Yes to this answer.
If I then select Yes it gives me following option :

I would still like my child (as stated in this application) to be registered as a British citizen even if my own application for British citizenship is refused. in some cases it may be the case that child gets approved but not a parent. Highly unlikely but personally I would say YES, for the sake of the child

Your help will be highly appreciated.

[alterhase58]

Also I have started filling naturalisation form using the below link, is this correct as I am confuse with terms AN and MN1

https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... onality-an

Have you included the child with parent application or are you doing separate MN1 for child.
Note if you include child in your own application system will adjust to MN1 (for children).

[Manj2023]

Thanks for your reply. I filled my form and then added my wife to the same application. Now I am trying to add my daughter to the same application too, but it is now asking me below questions.

So are you saying that as I am adding my daughter to same application it will automatically change it to MN1 form and how would I know.

May you please confirm if I am first applying it correct and secondly what options do I need to choose below:

Apply for registration of a child under 18 as a British citizen
The applicant
Part complete
Answer questions about this applicantRemove this applicant

Register child as British citizen

Are either of the parents of the child (as stated in this application) applying for naturalisation as a British citizen on an AN form?
(Required) Yes / NO

I would still like my child (as stated in this application) to be registered as a British citizen even if my own application for British citizenship is refused.
(Required) Yes / No

[alterhase58]

Answer to both questions is YES.
MN1 has different questions as this is the child applying.

[Manj2023]

Many thanks I will select yes for both options.

Although I am sorry if I am still confuse if I am doing it correct adding child the same application or should I apply for her separate as MN1 form. because it says that you must apply separately for your children.

https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-in ... r-children

Am i doing something wrong here, do I only need to submit myself and wife application and then apply separately for my child, because it says that I should apply separately or can I apply under same application.

May you please explain this.

[alterhase58]

Well, the child's application is separate, just like your and your wife's application are separate/individual, they are just using one account. So no need to fill in a separate application. This is quite a routine procedure, there's nothing that you have done wrong. The wording probably goes back to the paper form days.

[Manj2023]

Many thanks for the reply. So what I understand is that as I am filling online AN form for naturalisation. I have added my wife to the same online form. If I now select apply for applicant (child under 18), I can do that under the same account and fill the application and by doing that the form will automatically change to MN1 form I guess. I do not need to start a new login and new application.

The confusion is only there as I am reading everywhere that Registration for a child under 18 should be done separately (form MN1). Where as I have added her to the same account, but filled a separate application for her (child under 18).

So to summarise if I add her to same AN account the form will automatically change to MN1 and no issue and at the end I pay for three applications i.e. for my self, my wife and my daughter.

Finally for references for my child can I select my family friend who is a doctor and also knows her and one my friend who is a director who also knows her. I presume these are acceptable.

Many thanks for your help

[Manj2023]

May someone please confirm if my understanding is correct so that I can finish the application and pay for the all three applications today.

[Manj2023]

Many thanks for the reply. So what I understand is that as I am filling online AN form for naturalisation. I have added my wife to the same online form. If I now select apply for applicant (child under 18), I can do that under the same account and fill the application and by doing that the form will automatically change to MN1 form I guess. I do not need to start a new login and new application.

The confusion is only there as I am reading everywhere that Registration for a child under 18 should be done separately (form MN1). Where as I have added her to the same account, but filled a separate application for her (child under 18).

So to summarise if I add her to same AN account the form will automatically change to MN1 and no issue and at the end I pay for three applications i.e. for my self, my wife and my daughter.

Finally for references for my child can I select my family friend who is a doctor and also knows her and one my friend who is a director who also knows her. I presume these are acceptable.

Many thanks for your help

Hi All I have filled up all three applications now but may someone please kindly answer the above queries so that I can pay for the applications. I don't want to pay if I have done something wrong. Many thanks

[alterhase58]

Many thanks for the reply. So what I understand is that as I am filling online AN form for naturalisation. I have added my wife to the same online form. If I now select apply for applicant (child under 18), I can do that under the same account and fill the application and by doing that the form will automatically change to MN1 form I guess. I do not need to start a new login and new application.

The confusion is only there as I am reading everywhere that Registration for a child under 18 should be done separately (form MN1). Where as I have added her to the same account, but filled a separate application for her (child under 18). ok

So to summarise if I add her to same AN account the form will automatically change to MN1 and no issue and at the end I pay for three applications i.e. for my self, my wife and my daughter. ok

Finally for references for my child can I select my family friend who is a doctor and also knows her and one my friend who is a director who also knows her. I presume these are acceptable. The referee requirements are slightly different for childen, the professional should have been involved professionally with the child for three years. However many teacher or health professionals don't like to share their details. UKVI are aware of this. If you have to use your referees as is then attach a note if you had issues with finding an appropriate referee for the child.

Many thanks for your help

Hi All I have filled up all three applications now but may someone please kindly answer the above queries so that I can pay for the applications. I don't want to pay if I have done something wrong. Many thanks

[Manj2023]

Many thanks for the confirmation. I have now filled all three forms.

One last questions for the Gurus. When the application asks me for the travel immigration history I have only mentioned it from the day I came to UK under Tier 2 December 2015. The same immigration history was mentioned when I applied for ILR.

Do I also have to mention travel history or immigration history before this. The reason why I am asking is that since 2006-2010 I was student in UK. After that I applied for Post study work visa, but then in 2012 I left UK for permanent reason.

In December 2015 I then came to UK again but under Tier 2, so in my application I only used immigration history from December 2015. I think I have done it correct but please advise if not.

I work as an engineer so I am full time employed, but I also register myself as self employed as I did earn some extra money last year doing just eat. In my application I only chose full time employee and filled my employer detail. I hope this is okay. As this year I will submitting my just eat earning for last year and will pay extra tax for my self employed job.

Also do you have a link for all the documents that are required to submit for myself, my wife and my daughter.

Do I have to proof my relation with my wife again ?
Do I have to submit proof of living together ?
Do we both have to proof our work through P60, payslips and bank statements?
Do we still have to submit council letters, utility bills etc?

May be I get a list of documents to upload after submission and may be I am jumping the gun here. List of documents will be highly appreciated.

Many thanks for your continuous help.

[alterhase58]

Many thanks for the confirmation. I have now filled all three forms.

One last questions for the Gurus. When the application asks me for the travel immigration history I have only mentioned it from the day I came to UK under Tier 2 December 2015. The same immigration history was mentioned when I applied for ILR. Travel history only required for 5 years back from the application date.

Do I also have to mention travel history or immigration history before this. No.The reason why I am asking is that since 2006-2010 I was student in UK. After that I applied for Post study work visa, but then in 2012 I left UK for permanent reason.

In December 2015 I then came to UK again but under Tier 2, so in my application I only used immigration history from December 2015. I think I have done it correct but please advise if not. Only required for five years back. per above.

I work as an engineer so I am full time employed, but I also register myself as self employed as I did earn some extra money last year doing just eat. In my application I only chose full time employee and filled my employer detail. I hope this is okay. As this year I will submitting my just eat earning for last year and will pay extra tax for my self employed job. You can mention your self-employment separately. Note that employment and earnings/tax are not a requirement for the application.

Also do you have a link for all the documents that are required to submit for myself, my wife and my daughter. Once you have submitted/paid application you will receive a list of documents required.

Do I have to proof my relation with my wife again ? No - note these are treated as individual applications, there is no family or dependents concept.
Do I have to submit proof of living together ? No
Do we both have to proof our work through P60, payslips and bank statements? No
Do we still have to submit council letters, utility bills etc? No

May be I get a list of documents to upload after submission and may be I am jumping the gun here. List of documents will be highly appreciated. As mentioned above list will be provided, but documents required are normally: ADULTS: Passport,
BRP, English test (as per ILR), LITUK test (as per ILR), Referee Declarations - CHILD: refer to https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... #documents

Many thanks for your continuous help.

NOTE: Naturalisation/Registration isn't an immigration application, requires a minimum of documents.

[Manj2023]

Many thanks for your prompt reply and support. Wish me luck now

[Manj2023]

Hi Everyone,

I am just uploading the documents on UKVCAS website. As I am applying with my mrs and daughter, the check list is asking for Life in UK test certificate and A letter of consent from****** parent(s) or legal guardian(s) The letter must: give their full names and addresses say that they agree to let you apply for a British citizenship.

I was never given Life in UK test certificate, I only have the number which I have already mentioned in my application. Is this okay, or do I need to ring and try to get certificate. I thought it was electronical number. I used the same number when I applied ILR.

My submitted application only gave me option to download application, check list etc, but there was no link to download a letter of consent. Nay someone please help me from where can I download this form.

Finally I have only uploaded following docs, please let me know if these are enough.

My Docs:
ILR BRP
Passport
Travel history pages scanned from passport
2 x references
University UK degree
Marriage certificate

Mrs Docs:
ILR BRP
Passport
Travel history pages scanned from passport
2 x references
University Pakistan Degree
Ecctis Certificte used in 2021 for ILR
Marriage certificate

Daughter's Docs:
ILR BRP
Passport
Travel history pages scanned from passport
2 x references
Parents marriage certificate
Birth Certificate
Family registration certificate


I am going to submit my biometric on coming Wednesday.

I will wait for expert advise.

[Manj2023]

Sorry to chase, but may someone please help me with above questions. I need to upload all the documents today.

Thanks

[alterhase58]

These look ok - though marriage certificates for both adults not required, as you are not applying as spouse of British citizen.