IRP Stamp 4 - Time Outside Ireland

[mpodesta]

Hi Guys,

I hope you're well !

My name is Mathias, nice to meet you. I have a question because I have a Stamp 4 until (2027), the government gave me residency for 5 years.

I submitted the documentation to obtain my citizenship at the Italian Embassy, but I need to know what happens if I stay for a year outside of Ireland with my stamp 4/ permanent residence.

If I come back to Ireland for the weekend in 4.5 months, is it ok to keep my stamp 4?

Thanks for your help,

Have a nice day,
Mathias

[meself2]

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I have queried this a few times with INIS and BMU and urged them to put this onto their website. It is an inherent part of the requirements when a non-EU national takes up residences in Ireland - almost all stamps covered by domestic laws allow people to be out of the country for a maximum of 3 months, with the exception EUTR (6 months) and IIP (0/1 day).

Stamp 4 or 4EUFam?

[mpodesta]

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I have queried this a few times with INIS and BMU and urged them to put this onto their website. It is an inherent part of the requirements when a non-EU national takes up residences in Ireland - almost all stamps covered by domestic laws allow people to be out of the country for a maximum of 3 months, with the exception EUTR (6 months) and IIP (0/1 day).

Stamp 4 or 4EUFam?

Thanks for your help my friend ! I have STAMP 4 EUFam.

So If i can stay 6 month outside ireland....if I return/enter to the country just for 3 days , this 6 months will be reset and start again ?

Thanks again and have a great day

[meself2]

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I have queried this a few times with INIS and BMU and urged them to put this onto their website. It is an inherent part of the requirements when a non-EU national takes up residences in Ireland - almost all stamps covered by domestic laws allow people to be out of the country for a maximum of 3 months, with the exception EUTR (6 months) and IIP (0/1 day).

Stamp 4 or 4EUFam?

Thanks for your help my friend ! I have STAMP 4 EUFam.

So If i can stay 6 month outside ireland....if I return/enter to the country just for 3 days , this 6 months will be reset and start again ?

Thanks again and have a great day

No, it will take this year out of your continuous residence then.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/m ... al/#lf4896

Your continuous residence is not affected by some temporary absences:

Absences of less than 6 months per year

In practice, I wouldn't expect you have an issue with coming back - just the fact that you have to live in Ireland longer to catch up the continuous residence.

[mpodesta]

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I have queried this a few times with INIS and BMU and urged them to put this onto their website. It is an inherent part of the requirements when a non-EU national takes up residences in Ireland - almost all stamps covered by domestic laws allow people to be out of the country for a maximum of 3 months, with the exception EUTR (6 months) and IIP (0/1 day).

Stamp 4 or 4EUFam?

Thanks for your help my friend ! I have STAMP 4 EUFam.

So If i can stay 6 month outside ireland....if I return/enter to the country just for 3 days , this 6 months will be reset and start again ?

Thanks again and have a great day

No, it will take this year out of your continuous residence then.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/m ... al/#lf4896

Your continuous residence is not affected by some temporary absences:

Absences of less than 6 months per year

In practice, I wouldn't expect you have an issue with coming back - just the fact that you have to live in Ireland longer to catch up the continuous residence.

Thanks you very much for you help !

So :

1- If I will out ireland 5 month, and I will back before the 6 months just for 3,4 days...this not reset the 6 month so I can go outside again 6 months right?

2-So I don't have permanent residence because I need 5 years in ireland, I'm just lived 2.So I will lose my residence if I stay more than 6 month out ireland and when I back I need to complete all the proccess to get another IRP, Right?

Thanks again and have a great day !

[meself2]

1- If I will out ireland 5 month, and I will back before the 6 months just for 3,4 days...this not reset the 6 month so I can go outside again 6 months right?

This will not reset 6 months -> you were already out of the country for 6 months in a year. So if you go away from the country again for 6 months, you will be outside Ireland for a year, still. Can't go around it that way.

So I will lose my residence if I stay more than 6 month out ireland and when I back I need to complete all the proccess to get another IRP, Right?

I cannot say for certain about EUTR, but most likely this year just will not count for your permanent residence, when you will attempt to get a PR card.

[Vadrar]

I know virtually nothing about EUTR/Stamp4EU. Just out of interest, does it come with a requirement to update INIS if out of the country, as some Stamp 4s do?

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[meself2]

I know virtually nothing about EUTR/Stamp4EU. Just out of interest, does it come with a requirement to update INIS if out of the country, as some Stamp 4s do?

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All stamps come with this requirement, technically.
https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/200 ... print.html

(2) Subject to section 2 (2), a non-national shall comply with the following requirements as to registration:
[...]
(c) he or she shall, if about to change his or her residence, furnish to the registration officer for the registration district in which he or she is then resident particulars as to the date on which his or her residence is to be changed and as to his or her intended place of residence;

(d) on effecting any change of residence from one registration district to another, he or she shall, within 48 hours of his or her arrival in the other registration district, report his or her arrival to the registration officer for that district;

(e) if at any time he or she is absent from his or her residence for a continuous period exceeding one month, he or she shall report to the registration officer for the district of his or her residence his or her current address and every subsequent change of address, including his or her return to his or her residence;

Back before INIS became ISD and rehauled their website completely, they mentioned you have to notify them about changes of address (tried it once, successfully); not sure what's their stance now, but I wouldn't expect it to change it.

[Vadrar]

Thanks for that info meself2 - I hadn’t realised half of those requirements. I’m a little taken aback to be honest - those are some fairly tight timescales.

[meself2]

Thanks for that info meself2 - I hadn’t realised half of those requirements. I’m a little taken aback to be honest - those are some fairly tight timescales.

That's the law provisions, which were made back when it wasn't as digital - the true challenge would be to figure out what's actually enforced.

I certainly would not expect ISD to make you show up at the station the next day you moved or let them know how you're moving around Spain if you've gone for a two month holiday. Part (c) is the most concerning - while before the makeover INIS said "this is the email, report to us when you move", so you could fire them an email, they amended their records and that was that, how it is supposed to be done now is another question.

I've scanned through my permission letters and the closest thing I could find was statement that breaching subsection (2), (3) and (4)of Section 9 of this Act (which includes the quote above) is an offence and "You should note that any change in your registration which would affect the accuracy of your permission should be notified to your Registration Officer within 7 days" - no details about how or where to do so.