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decision based on points

Post by raghu0307 » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:40 pm

Hi,

I just had a thought, maybe it sounds stupid but does the total number of points claimed have any effect on the approval decision. I mean does a person who scores 95 points have more chances of getting an approval than a person who scores 75 points?

would be great if someone can throw some light on this.

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Re: decision based on points

Post by push » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:27 pm

raghu0307 wrote:Hi,

I just had a thought, maybe it sounds stupid but does the total number of points claimed have any effect on the approval decision. I mean does a person who scores 95 points have more chances of getting an approval than a person who scores 75 points?

would be great if someone can throw some light on this.
NO if the quality of evidence provided is same. You could argue that if someone claims 90 points and due to some reasons the case worker does not consider his earning for 1 month out of the 12 months , the guy might still have chances of getting an approval based on reduced earning point (aggregate still being above 75). Someone at 75 marks can not afford a luxury with any of the evidences that he/she provides.

All things being equals, it does not matter how much you score 75 or 95.
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Re: decision based on points

Post by republique » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:58 pm

push_hsmp wrote:
raghu0307 wrote:Hi,

I just had a thought, maybe it sounds stupid but does the total number of points claimed have any effect on the approval decision. I mean does a person who scores 95 points have more chances of getting an approval than a person who scores 75 points?

would be great if someone can throw some light on this.
NO if the quality of evidence provided is same. You could argue that if someone claims 90 points and due to some reasons the case worker does not consider his earning for 1 month out of the 12 months , the guy might still have chances of getting an approval based on reduced earning point (aggregate still being above 75). Someone at 75 marks can not afford a luxury with any of the evidences that he/she provides.

All things being equals, it does not matter how much you score 75 or 95.
If your corroborating details are dodgy, don't think that they give some discounted point. They normally reject it completely so don't think you are somehow covering yourself with some additional points somewhere else.

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Re: decision based on points

Post by push » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:17 pm

republique wrote:
push_hsmp wrote:
raghu0307 wrote:Hi,

I just had a thought, maybe it sounds stupid but does the total number of points claimed have any effect on the approval decision. I mean does a person who scores 95 points have more chances of getting an approval than a person who scores 75 points?

would be great if someone can throw some light on this.
NO if the quality of evidence provided is same. You could argue that if someone claims 90 points and due to some reasons the case worker does not consider his earning for 1 month out of the 12 months , the guy might still have chances of getting an approval based on reduced earning point (aggregate still being above 75). Someone at 75 marks can not afford a luxury with any of the evidences that he/she provides.

All things being equals, it does not matter how much you score 75 or 95.
If your corroborating details are dodgy, don't think that they give some discounted point. They normally reject it completely so don't think you are somehow covering yourself with some additional points somewhere else.
So you are saying that if for example an applicant claims 40 points for earnings for 12 month salary and forgets to submit salary slip for 1 month, he will be awarded "0" points for earning and not, say 35 points based on 11 month salary (net Salary amount shown in those 11 months matching with 11 bank statements)?

Well I would differ on that. Although this is quite old I think it is pretty relevant to the point I am making- A case where candidate claimed 40points based on earnings but was awarded just 25
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Re: decision based on points

Post by republique » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:48 am

push_hsmp wrote:
republique wrote:
push_hsmp wrote:
raghu0307 wrote:Hi,

I just had a thought, maybe it sounds stupid but does the total number of points claimed have any effect on the approval decision. I mean does a person who scores 95 points have more chances of getting an approval than a person who scores 75 points?

would be great if someone can throw some light on this.
NO if the quality of evidence provided is same. You could argue that if someone claims 90 points and due to some reasons the case worker does not consider his earning for 1 month out of the 12 months , the guy might still have chances of getting an approval based on reduced earning point (aggregate still being above 75). Someone at 75 marks can not afford a luxury with any of the evidences that he/she provides.

All things being equals, it does not matter how much you score 75 or 95.
If your corroborating details are dodgy, don't think that they give some discounted point. They normally reject it completely so don't think you are somehow covering yourself with some additional points somewhere else.
So you are saying that if for example an applicant claims 40 points for earnings for 12 month salary and forgets to submit salary slip for 1 month, he will be awarded "0" points for earning and not, say 35 points based on 11 month salary (net Salary amount shown in those 11 months matching with 11 bank statements)?

Well I would differ on that. Although this is quite old I think it is pretty relevant to the point I am making- A case where candidate claimed 40points based on earnings but was awarded just 25
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Weird that you keep followingup everything I say with something contradictory. Do you have any independant thoughts of your own, or are you just one of those have to have the last word type of person?

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Re: decision based on points

Post by raghu0307 » Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:25 am

republique wrote:
push_hsmp wrote:
republique wrote:
push_hsmp wrote: NO if the quality of evidence provided is same. You could argue that if someone claims 90 points and due to some reasons the case worker does not consider his earning for 1 month out of the 12 months , the guy might still have chances of getting an approval based on reduced earning point (aggregate still being above 75). Someone at 75 marks can not afford a luxury with any of the evidences that he/she provides.

All things being equals, it does not matter how much you score 75 or 95.
If your corroborating details are dodgy, don't think that they give some discounted point. They normally reject it completely so don't think you are somehow covering yourself with some additional points somewhere else.
So you are saying that if for example an applicant claims 40 points for earnings for 12 month salary and forgets to submit salary slip for 1 month, he will be awarded "0" points for earning and not, say 35 points based on 11 month salary (net Salary amount shown in those 11 months matching with 11 bank statements)?

Well I would differ on that. Although this is quite old I think it is pretty relevant to the point I am making- A case where candidate claimed 40points based on earnings but was awarded just 25
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Weird that you keep followingup everything I say with something contradictory. Do you have any independant thoughts of your own, or are you just one of those have to have the last word type of person?


Quite honestly, you are over reacting. No ones here to contradict anyones statements. Even I agree with what push has quoted. There are two aspects to this.

1. Your documents are fake and dodgy for the points you have claimed

2. Your documents are genuine but somewhere yo have missed one document resulting in lesser accumulation of points than claimed, but you still qualify. I feel if this is the case, one still has a good chance of being considered

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Re: decision based on points

Post by republique » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:02 am

push_hsmp wrote:
republique wrote:
push_hsmp wrote:
raghu0307 wrote:Hi,

I just had a thought, maybe it sounds stupid but does the total number of points claimed have any effect on the approval decision. I mean does a person who scores 95 points have more chances of getting an approval than a person who scores 75 points?

would be great if someone can throw some light on this.
NO if the quality of evidence provided is same. You could argue that if someone claims 90 points and due to some reasons the case worker does not consider his earning for 1 month out of the 12 months , the guy might still have chances of getting an approval based on reduced earning point (aggregate still being above 75). Someone at 75 marks can not afford a luxury with any of the evidences that he/she provides.

All things being equals, it does not matter how much you score 75 or 95.
If your corroborating details are dodgy, don't think that they give some discounted point. They normally reject it completely so don't think you are somehow covering yourself with some additional points somewhere else.
So you are saying that if for example an applicant claims 40 points for earnings for 12 month salary and forgets to submit salary slip for 1 month, he will be awarded "0" points for earning and not, say 35 points based on 11 month salary (net Salary amount shown in those 11 months matching with 11 bank statements)?

Well I would differ on that. Although this is quite old I think it is pretty relevant to the point I am making- A case where candidate claimed 40points based on earnings but was awarded just 25
first i dont do paranoid, second i pointed out dodgy evidence will not be discounted nor will claiming extra points elsewhere get the caseworker to give partial credit with weak evidence so you can pass.
then push tries to be funny with you can get points for a different threshold of earnings scenario, a scenario that I was not implying what so ever. i am just stating don't think that extra points somehow salvages dodgy evidence. one statement missing out of 12 isnt dodgy evidence, it is an oversight, a completely different point
third, i made an observation about push as this is not the only thread that he has found the need to make a counterpoint to which I find strange the manner in which he has done so.
in any event, I am pleased that push figured out your mindset so perfectly that my point was wasted on you.

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Re: decision based on points

Post by raghu0307 » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:38 am

republique wrote:
push_hsmp wrote:
republique wrote:
push_hsmp wrote: NO if the quality of evidence provided is same. You could argue that if someone claims 90 points and due to some reasons the case worker does not consider his earning for 1 month out of the 12 months , the guy might still have chances of getting an approval based on reduced earning point (aggregate still being above 75). Someone at 75 marks can not afford a luxury with any of the evidences that he/she provides.

All things being equals, it does not matter how much you score 75 or 95.
If your corroborating details are dodgy, don't think that they give some discounted point. They normally reject it completely so don't think you are somehow covering yourself with some additional points somewhere else.
So you are saying that if for example an applicant claims 40 points for earnings for 12 month salary and forgets to submit salary slip for 1 month, he will be awarded "0" points for earning and not, say 35 points based on 11 month salary (net Salary amount shown in those 11 months matching with 11 bank statements)?

Well I would differ on that. Although this is quite old I think it is pretty relevant to the point I am making- A case where candidate claimed 40points based on earnings but was awarded just 25
first i dont do paranoid, second i pointed out dodgy evidence will not be discounted nor will claiming extra points elsewhere get the caseworker to give partial credit with weak evidence so you can pass.
then push tries to be funny with you can get points for a different threshold of earnings scenario, a scenario that I was not implying what so ever. i am just stating don't think that extra points somehow salvages dodgy evidence. one statement missing out of 12 isnt dodgy evidence, it is an oversight, a completely different point
third, i made an observation about push as this is not the only thread that he has found the need to make a counterpoint to which I find strange the manner in which he has done so.
in any event, I am pleased that push figured out your mindset so perfectly that my point was wasted on you.


No point in a comment is wasted as long as it is supported with facts, personal experiences and evidences to support their argument instead counter arguments with a personal agenda.

Let us stick to the purpose for which the forum was designed.

At this point, there is no need for counter arguments as this is just going somewhere than what was intended.

My query has been answered.
Last edited by raghu0307 on Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:54 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: decision based on points

Post by raghu0307 » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:42 am

republique wrote:
push_hsmp wrote:
republique wrote:
push_hsmp wrote: NO if the quality of evidence provided is same. You could argue that if someone claims 90 points and due to some reasons the case worker does not consider his earning for 1 month out of the 12 months , the guy might still have chances of getting an approval based on reduced earning point (aggregate still being above 75). Someone at 75 marks can not afford a luxury with any of the evidences that he/she provides.

All things being equals, it does not matter how much you score 75 or 95.
If your corroborating details are dodgy, don't think that they give some discounted point. They normally reject it completely so don't think you are somehow covering yourself with some additional points somewhere else.
So you are saying that if for example an applicant claims 40 points for earnings for 12 month salary and forgets to submit salary slip for 1 month, he will be awarded "0" points for earning and not, say 35 points based on 11 month salary (net Salary amount shown in those 11 months matching with 11 bank statements)?

Well I would differ on that. Although this is quite old I think it is pretty relevant to the point I am making- A case where candidate claimed 40points based on earnings but was awarded just 25
first i dont do paranoid, second i pointed out dodgy evidence will not be discounted nor will claiming extra points elsewhere get the caseworker to give partial credit with weak evidence so you can pass.
then push tries to be funny with you can get points for a different threshold of earnings scenario, a scenario that I was not implying what so ever. i am just stating don't think that extra points somehow salvages dodgy evidence. one statement missing out of 12 isnt dodgy evidence, it is an oversight, a completely different point
third, i made an observation about push as this is not the only thread that he has found the need to make a counterpoint to which I find strange the manner in which he has done so.
in any event, I am pleased that push figured out your mindset so perfectly that my point was wasted on you.

Your point wasnt wasted on me. I am sorry if I sounded like that. I appreciate the inputs from both of you since they bring out two different aspects of my initial enquiry neither of which can be neglected. Republique, I perfectly understand the point that you are putting across and I know its correct. Thanks both of you.

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Re: decision based on points

Post by push » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:06 pm

republique wrote:
Weird that you keep followingup everything I say with something contradictory. Do you have any independant thoughts of your own, or are you just one of those have to have the last word type of person?
Would advise you not to make any personal comments. These unnecessary rants should better be kept bottled up. If you have a behavioural problem severely crippling your ability to maintain decorum then spare me please, I would rather not get into a public mud slinging match with someone who has scant regard for fellow members.

Before making any comment on whether or not I have any independent thinking etc. it would really help you if you had a look at what you have been and more importantly the manner in which you have been saying things.

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