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Dementia and stroke

Post by StruggleisReal » Wed Sep 17, 2025 12:14 am

Hello

Hope everyone is doing well.

Does anyone know how the home office deals with applications for applicants who have medical conditions such as dementia and a stroke

Dementia - applicant has problems with memory and as such may not remember if they have made an application

Stroke - applicant has speech deterioration and as such cannot affirm the oath

Applicant will be getting a form filled to exempt them from doing the English test

Also, applicant will be completing the form with the help of their family member but will fill the form as if applicant have filled it themselves. Will the home office question their medical conditions?

Or is it better that the relative declares in the application form that they have filled the form on behalf of the applicant and explain in the cover letter that applicant has these medical conditions and unable to complete the form themselves? Will the home office question that the applicant is fit enough to receive citizenship?

Or would the best option be for a solicitor to apply for their citizenship which is expensive but to be on the save side?

Your input is much appreciated.

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Re: Dementia and stroke

Post by secret.simon » Wed Sep 17, 2025 10:07 am

I presume that the applicant already has ILR.

Has the applicant done a English test at the time of ILR? Or did they have an exemption at the time they applied for ILR?
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Re: Dementia and stroke

Post by contorted_svy » Wed Sep 17, 2025 10:41 am

The only issue I see is that the applicant has to be of sound mind. Considering the applicant's conditions, is it fair to say that? Could you get a doctor's letter that certifies that? You should also obtain something to state that the applicant has dementia therefore they can't pronounce the oath but can still attend the ceremony.
You will need an exemption also for life in the UK if the applicant doesn't have it yet.
If you can obtain that, I don't think the HO can question who fills in the application.
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Re: Dementia and stroke

Post by StruggleisReal » Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:33 pm

secret.simon wrote:
Wed Sep 17, 2025 10:07 am
I presume that the applicant already has ILR.

Has the applicant done a English test at the time of ILR? Or did they have an exemption at the time they applied for ILR?
Thank you

Yes they already have ILR in the form of Settled Status and hence English test wasn’t required.

They do have, however, life in the Uk test passing certificate which was done many years ago as part of a different unsuccessful application


These medical conditions only appeared in the last two year or so after the Settled Status and they have had this status for 5 years now.

They are also on the waiting list for mental health treatment but I am not sure if this should be disclosed if there is no need for this as this may not satisfy the sound mind criteria?

The applicant is of sound mind as they know what the application is for but I’m not sure if Home Office require more and how much information needs to be provided to Home Office

There is some more information on page 11 of the caseworker guidance notes, I am struggling to paste the text but have attached the link. If someone could please dissect the information to put my mind to rest that would be greatly appreciated
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... r+2025.pdf

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Re: Dementia and stroke

Post by StruggleisReal » Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:44 pm

contorted_svy wrote:
Wed Sep 17, 2025 10:41 am
The only issue I see is that the applicant has to be of sound mind. Considering the applicant's conditions, is it fair to say that? Could you get a doctor's letter that certifies that? You should also obtain something to state that the applicant has dementia therefore they can't pronounce the oath but can still attend the ceremony.
You will need an exemption also for life in the UK if the applicant doesn't have it yet.
If you can obtain that, I don't think the HO can question who fills in the application.
Thank you

I will definitely get a doctors letter to say they are of sound mind, and that communication is an issue so pronouncing the oath isn’t possible.

Also applicant has appointee for their benefits and GP because of communication problem. As such would it be okay for this appointee to submit the application? The form specifically asks if it is the applicant making the application or someone on their behalf and I do not want to jeopardise the application by making it complicated when it doesn’t need to be. And I do not wish for the Home Office to have doubts about sound mind if the appointee makes the application.

Applicant is fully aware what is happening and what the application is for, it’s just that filling forms and cover letter and gathering all information is too much overwhelming for them.

They are also sensitive to the crowd and noise and their concentration isn’t too great either. These ceremonies can take a long time so they might request for a private ceremony. Again, can or should this mentioned in the citizen application or is it best to not give out this information yet?

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Re: Dementia and stroke

Post by contorted_svy » Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:52 pm

I don't think it would be a problem - the issue is in talking as I understand, the online application is online and does not require any interaction with a human being. Document gathering is a process that family members get routinely involved with for others so I don't see that as an issue.

I would recommend you review this guidance https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 1.0EXT.pdf

The full capacity requirement
Full capacity is defined in section 50(11) of the British Nationality Act 1981 as being
“not of unsound mind”. It is not further defined in the act, but you can consider the
requirement as having been satisfied if the standard set out in this guidance is met.
To meet the requirement applicants must be able to understand the purpose of their
application. You must not expect a total understanding of either:
• nationality
• citizenship
• knowledge of procedures
• the statutory provisions
Applicants must be of sufficiently sound mind to know that they want to acquire, or in
some cases ‘renounce’ British nationality even if they require advice or assistance
from others in making this decision. Before granting an application you must have no
reason to doubt that they have a sufficient level of understanding.
The full capacity requirement is not intended to deny British nationality to, or prevent
‘renunciation’ of British nationality, by people whose disability makes it difficult for
them to communicate.
Waiving the requirement to be of full capacity
Under section 44A of the British Nationality Act 1981 as inserted by section 49 of the
Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act 2006 the Secretary of State has discretion
to waive the requirement to be of full capacity, if they think it is in the best interests of
the applicant to do so.
Consideration of applications
Most applicants have no difficulty in meeting the full capacity requirement. You must
assume that the applicant meets the requirements unless there is information
provided to cast doubt.
Such information could include a report from a referee or doctor stating that the
applicant has a physical or mental condition that prevents them from meeting the full
capacity requirement. In such a case, referee enquiries may be appropriate to
establish the position.
Alternatively a letter to the applicant’s agent, guardian or to the applicant themselves
may help to establish enough information to make a decision. Where applicants have
lodged their own applications, the presumption is that they meet the full capacity
requirements unless there is substantial evidence to the contrary.
If it appears that the applicant may have a mental or physical illness and is receiving
treatment you must give applicants, their guardian or their agent the option of
submitting a report from their doctor or a medical professional. You must explain
both the full capacity requirement and our interpretation of it, and request as much
information as possible to help us reach a decision on the application.

In exceptional cases there may be conflicting professional opinions about an
applicant’s mental capacity. In such cases you normally give the applicant the benefit
of the doubt.
In cases where the applicant cannot be considered of full capacity you must consider
whether it would be in their best interests to waive the requirement. It will normally be
appropriate to take account of the:
• views of the applicant, to the extent that they are able to express them
• views of any person, professional or otherwise who has assumed responsibility
for the applicant’s welfare
• citizenship status of other family members, especially those with who the
applicant resides or is in regular contact
The decision on whether or not to waive the full capacity requirement must be taken
by a senior caseworker.
Oath and pledge
For all successful adult applicants for British nationality the oath and pledge will
normally be administered at a citizenship ceremony. If the person administering the
oath and pledge, in most cases the Superintendent Registrar or their deputy, is not
satisfied that the applicant understands the significance of what is happening they
should contact the Citizenship Ceremonies Support Team (CCST). CCST will advise
that if any concerns cannot be satisfied prior to the ceremony taking place, it should
be postponed until the matter is resolved.
Where the requirement to be of ‘full capacity’ has already been waived you will
normally also waive the requirements to make the oath and pledge at the citizenship
ceremony. However where there is a desire for the applicant to attend a citizenship
ceremony as part of a family group of applicants, it should be possible to
accommodate the request. Such requests will be dealt with by CCST following
discussion with the relevant local authority.
I am not sure what the procedure is for ceremonies where the new citizens are not able to pronounce the oaths. It may be something to check with your council before you apply, in case they are aware of any useful information. The guidance I linked above may be useful to get the requirement of sound mind waived. It could be useful to declare this when you apply, to avoid surprises later, as even in a private ceremony the applicant would be required to pronounce the oath.
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Re: Dementia and stroke

Post by StruggleisReal » Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:58 pm

Hi all

I am helping a relative fill in their application and had a few questions. Your help and guidance is greatly appreciated.

One question the application asks if the applicant has a valid ID from their country. This is currently expired so should we say ‘No’ and will this negatively impact their citizen application?

The citizenship application was started a few months ago and their ID was valid then but has since expired, so will we have to update that to ‘No’ now?

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Re: Dementia and stroke

Post by alterhase58 » Mon Nov 03, 2025 1:03 pm

It's not a deal breaker, but things are easier with a valid ID.
Is there an issue with renewing ID - presumably that's a passport?
As such an invalid ID is not a reason to reject the application.
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Re: Dementia and stroke

Post by StruggleisReal » Mon Nov 03, 2025 1:06 pm

Many thanks for your reply, much appreciated

The passport is valid, but there is an addition ID card issued by the country which is expired.

They will apply soon for this, but getting a response might take longer and they wish to apply for the citizenship sooner

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Re: Dementia and stroke

Post by alterhase58 » Mon Nov 03, 2025 1:14 pm

OK - no problem then, passport is sufficient
The country's internal ID isn't relevant really, not sure why they ask.
Just answer NO, no issue.
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Re: Dementia and stroke

Post by StruggleisReal » Mon Nov 03, 2025 2:16 pm

Thank you

Also, one of the relative have requested SAR from home office so that they could have the details of application but Home office have only provided details for the last 10years.

The applicant does not have all of the reference numbers and dates as such so should they leave blank anything they can’t recall?

Also, two members are applying at the same time with two different applications but same referees. Can they have the same wording in cover letter. The history is the same with just the exception of the English Test for which they will get medical exemption.

Also, for the medical exemption, they will get the waiver form filled by Gp and may add a letter from the specialist, is this sufficient or should they get multiple letters. I do not really want to provide more info than necessary.

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Re: Dementia and stroke

Post by contorted_svy » Mon Nov 03, 2025 3:28 pm

StruggleisReal wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 2:16 pm
Thank you

Also, one of the relative have requested SAR from home office so that they could have the details of application but Home office have only provided details for the last 10years.

The applicant does not have all of the reference numbers and dates as such so should they leave blank anything they can’t recall? This is OK

Also, two members are applying at the same time with two different applications but same referees. Can they have the same wording in cover letter. The history is the same with just the exception of the English Test for which they will get medical exemption. Yes, OK

Also, for the medical exemption, they will get the waiver form filled by Gp and may add a letter from the specialist, is this sufficient or should they get multiple letters. I do not really want to provide more info than necessary. It is not a case we see frequently, I would say the form filled in by the GP, a letter from the GP and from the specialist should be enough.
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Re: Dementia and stroke

Post by StruggleisReal » Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:15 pm

Thank you, much appreciated.

As for the letter from the Gp, can you think of something that it should be included in the letter specifically?

The applicant will have to pay for any letters/forms from the Gp and I would like to ensure that it contains everything needed.

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Re: Dementia and stroke

Post by contorted_svy » Tue Nov 04, 2025 10:23 am

Honestly I do not know. A comment on when the applicant was diagnosed, the struggle they experience due to their condition I would imagine.
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