Parents - father and mother difficulty in finance

[banlizm]

I have a tricky but genuine situation with my parents

I am British citizen and would like to sponser my parents to join me in UK permanently, My father is 67 and mother is 57- they have been visiting me for past 4 years on VV. Now i want to apply for Permanent stay from their home country (Pakistan), following are my strong and week points:

- I have a good job, some savings and own a house
- I have been sending them money for last 5-6 years but through my father inlaw's account as he is a banker and through his account i have saved thousands, difficulty is now how to prove? in my statemets i have regular amount going from my account into my father inlaw's account! for last 3-4 months i have started sending money through my account direct
- They own a flat but don't have much savings i have been maily supporting them for past few years, owning a flat is it negative or a neutral point?
- How long is the visa process? approx time?

Many Thanks

[bototo]

1. Get a signed statement from your father-in-law about the arrangement.

2.Get a local person of repute there to confirm that this was indeed the case. An MP, a senior army figure .... even his local GP. It's about adding credibility so use your discretion in choosing the referee accordingly

3. Owning anything back there is a negative. Work out how much it would cost to rent those premises - that's something they are not relying on you for. What percentage does that constitute of the total support you provide?

[banlizm]

what is the bank statement requirement? if 3-4 months? then i have been doing that from my account for last 4 months so i don't need my father in law's confirmation. if more then 4 months then i will have to get his confirmation in writting and other point you mentioned.

- regarding money i send them - complete expenses other then rent because they own the property they live, so 100% other then rent.
but we are looking to sell the property once their visa is approved, so could do that in advance and sell it now, which leads to another issue i see is that the money from the property will that count negative ?

[bototo]

complete expenses other then rent

Include the rent in the calculation - that's part of their living expenses whether they pay it or not.

There is no bank statement "requirement" AFAIK but people often provide 6 months. Since you have been supporting them for years it would help your case to prove that the best way you can.

I wouldn't sell the property now and I don't believe that helps the case.

[banlizm]

One last thing which i am worried about is,
- if their permanent settlement visa is refused, will they be able to get visit Visa in future? or will it be extremely difficult to get visit visa?
Many thanks

[bototo]

They will almost certainly be refused a subsequent visitor visa. Sorry.

Getting them a 10 year multiple entry now may seem a sensible precaution against failure of the ILR application. However, it would be a risky move as they could be turned back at the airport for precisely the same reasons that they wouldn't be able to convince the ECO of their likelihood to leave the UK within the visitor visa terms.

[hmm]

Hi banlizm,
we are in similar situation as you with mother in law.
we'd like to bring her over here permanently but worried if that's refused then her future visitor visa would be refused too. she is under 65 but a widow.

The thing is if she apply for a settlement visa she'd have to prove that she has no one and nothing to return to, etc. say, that's refused and she wants to apply for a visitor visa then she'll have to prove the opposite that she has a reason to go back. tricky situation this?

I've heard it is difficult to bring them over here on settlement visa.

we are having difficulty proving the financial dependency. we give her cash when we go or send it via relatives when they visit her.

keep me posted. I'd be interested to know what you going to do, etc.

[datuchi]

I have an idea which MIGHT HELP. As you're a British citizen, the EU law doesn't apply here. However, if you were to MOVE to ANOTHER Member state, let's say IRELAND for your parents' sake, then they will benefit from EU law, which allows them to JOIN their son in another Member State.
Do this, go to Ireland for over 3 months, and rent your house in England in the meantime, then get a job, ANY job which is official, so you can prove it through payslips etc, then you'd be able to apply for a Residence Card of your parents on the grounds that they're dependant ON YOU, under Directive 2004/38 Art. 2(2)(d). check it. Then your parents are subject to LESS, and believe me, MUCH LESS stringent requirements than the ones applying to purely domestic situations.

Please let me know if this has been of any help!!!
I'm sure you can sacrifice 3-4 months of your life to get your parents in the UK. After your parents get a EEA FAMILY PERMIT, they will come to Ireland and apply for a RESIDENCE CARD, and after they get that, simply go BACK to the UK and it's done, they get a RC valid for 5 years, and UK has jack on you!!!

Hope this helps

[bototo]

LOL, there do seem to be major anomalies in the system. Like this.

I recall discovering here recently that a doctor from India/Pakistan marrying a UK national needs to prove their competence by taking two PLABS exams and jumping various hoops to practice in the UK. But if they marry an EC national living in the UK they don't need to do any of that! Scary.

The next time you're in hospital your life may depend on the nationality of your doctor's spouse!

[joe777]

LOL, there do seem to be major anomalies in the system. Like this.

I recall discovering here recently that a doctor from India/Pakistan marrying a UK national needs to prove their competence by taking two PLABS exams and jumping various hoops to practice in the UK. But if they marry an EC national living in the UK they don't need to do any of that! Scary.

The next time you're in hospital your life may depend on the nationality of your doctor's spouse!

thats true the curse of marrying a brit instead of a european in the uk

my wife took the plab 1 exam, results are out today, and they control how many people pass the exam, by always making the pass mark well above the average mark