PLEASE HELP ME

[saudi..2009]

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am lost, confuse, stress, hopeless, and I don’t know who is going to help me or where to get the answers from, so I can feel relief form all this heavy thinking on my head. I hope you can help me and give me the right answers.

Here is my story first.

I am from Saudi Arabia, I went to UK on 2001 on student visa to study English and university but for some reasons I didn’t study well and I didn’t finish my university but I kept renewing my visa as student until 2005.

After my visa finished on 2005 I didn’t renew my visa and I broke my visa, then I meet some one who is student in UK form Saudi Arabia on 2006 who claimed he can help me to renew my visa from Saudi Arabia without me been there, he went to Saudi Arabia and I sent him my papers. He applied for student visa for me then the British embassy in Saudi Arabia asked for lots of papers and for me to come for interview but I couldn’t go because I was in UK with no passport.

In 2007 the British embassy in Saudi Arabia send my papers back to my address in Saudi Arabia with refuse because I didn’t give them all papers and for me not showing on the interview date.

In 2007 I went to Dublin and I claimed for asylum seeker with different name, surname, but same country and different date of birth. They took my fingerprints.
I was really stupid and I really regret it and I will always be.I was desperate as I had lots of family problems.

In 2008 I got a refuse from Dublin as an asylum seeker and I didn’t apply for appeal.
So I left Dublin and I went back to UK.

In 2008 I meet a girl from Poland in UK and we fall in love with each other. I told her about every thing and I told her that I don’t have a visa for UK as I broke it on 2005, but I didn’t tell her that I was an asylum seeker in Dublin with a fake name. No one knows about that even my family until now.

In 2008 I got my Saudi passport renewed from Saudi Arabia embassy in London with my real name and I went back to Saudi Arabia.

In 2009 my girlfriend went back to Poland for good and I got a visa to Poland. I went to Poland and we got married. We are now living here in Poland and I have temporary card for one year.

Here are my questions:

1. If we would like to go to UK can I still apply for visa and which type?
2. If I still can apply for visa to UK is the British embassy in Poland or airport immigration in UK will take my fingerprint and are they going to find out that I was an asylum seeker in Dublin in 2007 with a fake name if they do so?
3. If the British embassy in Poland or airport immigration in UK found out about my fake details in Dublin what would happened.
4. Do you have any idea if the asylum seeker thing will effect my citizenship when I apply for it in the future?
5. Do you think polish citizenship office here in Poland will get to know about my asylum seeker in Dublin when I apply for citizenship in the future?
6. Do you have any idea how long my fingerprint will be stored on the asylum seeker database system and when will it be deleted.


Please help me, I would like to have a normal life again and feel free in this world.


Thanking you an advance and I hope to hear form you very soon.


Best regards

A.M

[Papafaith]

Hmmmm, i will try to answer but dont take it as fact fact, do your research. The only information that is shared Globally is terrorist information, so i dont think Poland or UK will have anyway of knowing unless a crime has been committed.
Secondly, yes if you apply for a UK visa your finger prints and general biometric details will be taken at the British embassy in Poland.
3rdly, if you and your girlfriend get married, then you will have to apply as a spouse/family of an EEA national - do a bit of research here:

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucit ... ropeanlaw/

[mirnat]

Well having read your post, I don't know the answer to everything but there is one thing you touched upon about whether your failed asylum seeker case will affect your future application for visas/citizenship. I can only talk from my husband's point of view.

He claimed asylum as being from Kosovo using a false first name (same surname) and false date of birth. His asylum claim failed. Following that he remained illegally in the UK. We then met and married a few years later (after he was removed from the UK as an illegal immigrant!). As far as I am aware his fingerprints were not taken as part of his asylum case but they were taken when he applied for a spouse visa in Albania. I am sure when he applied for a spouse visa his previous immigration history as a failed asylum seeker was made known to the Briitsh Embassy in Albania as I think he admitted on his spouse visa application form the other name that he has been known by and also the British Embassy obtained a report on his previous immigration status from the Home Office (found this out as when he enquired what was the delay with getting his UK visa, he was told the British Embassy were awaiting on this report!).

He was granted a spouse visa for 2 years in March 2007. During that 2 year period (which expired in March 2009) he also successfully obained 2 Schengen visas to visit Europe and a visitor's visa for Canada. Finally he was granted Indefinite Leave to Remain in March this year. So the fact that one has a dodgy asylum seeking past may not necessarily preclude you from obtaining British visas/citizenship in the future. I would say though that it's best to be honest about these things from the outset.

Good luck with your situation anyway!

[saudi..2009]

Thank you very much Papafaith and to you as well mirnat for responding.

I am now married and living in poland with my wife.

I have one year temporary card.

If i apply for visa to uk and the british embassy take my fingerprint do you think they will find out about my asylum seeker in dublin?

Do you have any idea how long my fingerprint will be stored on the asylum seeker database system and when will it be deleted?


A.M

[Mr Rusty]

Thank you very much Papafaith and to you as well mirnat for responding.

I am now married and living in poland with my wife.

I have one year temporary card.

If i apply for visa to uk and the british embassy take my fingerprint do you think they will find out about my asylum seeker in dublin?

Do you have any idea how long my fingerprint will be stored on the asylum seeker database system and when will it be deleted?


A.M

It would be safest for you to work on the assumption that your fingerprints will identify you as a former asylum seeker, and that the prints will be held indefinitely.
But your intentions are not clear. You said in your first post that your wife went back to Poland "for good", but you want to come to the UK. So are you leaving your wife? What is your purpose in coming to the UK?

[Rozen]

Thank you very much Papafaith and to you as well mirnat for responding.

I am now married and living in poland with my wife.

I have one year temporary card.

If i apply for visa to uk and the british embassy take my fingerprint do you think they will find out about my asylum seeker in dublin?

Do you have any idea how long my fingerprint will be stored on the asylum seeker database system and when will it be deleted?


A.M

Saudi..2009, why are you so worried as to how long your fingerprints will be on file?
As Mirnat says, just answer the questions on the application form truthfully! If you are asked if you've claimed asylum/ been refused a visa, or whatever, JUST TELL THE TRUTH! Or have you learnt nothing from your previous experience regarding deception?
I don't mean to sound horrible or judgemental here, but it seems to me you are looking for ways to hide the fact that you broke the law, and if you can sweep it under the carpet. Well..NEWSFLASH!:idea: You can't! Either way you will be found out! Better to put the cards on the table by yourself, rather then the other way round.
Also, as Mr Rusty notes, if your wife is back in Poland ‘for good’, and you are legally settled there, why go to UK where you have messed up your immigration history anyway?
Having said that, EU route is far more lenient than the UK immigration one, so it might not be as bad as you think; as long as you are completely honest along the way!
Ever heard of 'once bitten, twice shy'?

[saudi..2009]

Thanks Mr Rusty

My wife and I living here in Poland as I got a visa to Poland and we got married here in Poland and I have one year temporary card.

First we wanted to stay in Poland and forget about UK, but life here is very hard and she wants to go back to UK because she lived there for 2 years and she loves it so much and she had really good job in uk as she speaks very well English, she only went back to Poland so we can be together.

Of course I am not leaving my wife. I want to be honest I love UK as well as I lived there for 8 years but you know the story!

My purpose to go to UK to be with my wife so we can have better life there, but in same time I don’t mind staying here in Poland.


Thanks Rozen

Yes I learned lots and that’s why I am doing this so I can learn more how to do things right and no more lies or broken laws.

[saudi..2009]

-------------------------------IS THERE ANY ONE ELSE WHO CAN HELP WITH MORE ANSWERS-------------------------------------

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am lost, confuse, stress, hopeless, and I don’t know who is going to help me or where to get the answers from, so I can feel relief form all this heavy thinking on my head. I hope you can help me and give me the right answers.

Here is my story first.

I am from Saudi Arabia, I went to UK on 2001 on student visa to study English and university but for some reasons I didn’t study well and I didn’t finish my university but I kept renewing my visa as student until 2005.

After my visa finished on 2005 I didn’t renew my visa and I broke my visa, then I meet some one who is student in UK form Saudi Arabia on 2006 who claimed he can help me to renew my visa from Saudi Arabia without me been there, he went to Saudi Arabia and I sent him my papers. He applied for student visa for me then the British embassy in Saudi Arabia asked for lots of papers and for me to come for interview but I couldn’t go because I was in UK with no passport.

In 2007 the British embassy in Saudi Arabia send my papers back to my address in Saudi Arabia with refuse because I didn’t give them all papers and for me not showing on the interview date.

In 2007 I went to Dublin and I claimed for asylum seeker with different name, surname, but same country and different date of birth. They took my fingerprints.
I was really stupid and I really regret it and I will always be.I was desperate as I had lots of family problems.

In 2008 I got a refuse from Dublin as an asylum seeker and I didn’t apply for appeal.
So I left Dublin and I went back to UK.

In 2008 I meet a girl from Poland in UK and we fall in love with each other. I told her about every thing and I told her that I don’t have a visa for UK as I broke it on 2005, but I didn’t tell her that I was an asylum seeker in Dublin with a fake name. No one knows about that even my family until now.

In 2008 I got my Saudi passport renewed from Saudi Arabia embassy in London with my real name and I went back to Saudi Arabia.

In 2009 my girlfriend went back to Poland for good and I got a visa to Poland. I went to Poland and we got married. We are now living here in Poland and I have temporary card for one year.

Here are my questions:

1. If we would like to go to UK can I still apply for visa and which type?
2. If I still can apply for visa to UK is the British embassy in Poland or airport immigration in UK will take my fingerprint and are they going to find out that I was an asylum seeker in Dublin in 2007 with a fake name if they do so?
3. If the British embassy in Poland or airport immigration in UK found out about my fake details in Dublin what would happened.
4. Do you have any idea if the asylum seeker thing will effect my citizenship when I apply for it in the future?
5. Do you think polish citizenship office here in Poland will get to know about my asylum seeker in Dublin when I apply for citizenship in the future?
6. Do you have any idea how long my fingerprint will be stored on the asylum seeker database system and when will it be deleted.


Please help me, I would like to have a normal life again and feel free in this world.


Thanking you an advance and I hope to hear form you very soon.


Best regards

A.M

[Mr Rusty]

If your wife is coming to the UK to seek employment, you are entitled to an EEA Family Permit to accompany her. This would be under EEA Law, not under UK immigration law, and your previous history, although appalling, is actually irrelevant. You should complete the application form with total honesty.
The only grounds on which you might be refused is that your marriage is a "marriage of convenience", i.e. you have only got married to gain entry to the UK. But the burden of proof is on the Visa Officer, and the fact that you have been granted residence in another EU country is strongly in your favour. The longer you are together in Poland, the stronger case you have, i.e. if you are granted a Polish residence card one week and apply to come to the UK the week after, it looks suspicious. If you've been together for say 8-9 months it makes you more credible.
If you do not tell the truth on the application form and your previous history is discovered you are more likely to be refused.

[Rozen]

We're going round in circles here, methinks! Unless someone can reassure the OP that his fingerprints will be removed from file at some point (and when that point will be), our advises are not what he is looking for.
Hey, I've got an idea! OP, why not anonymously ring the Dublin Immigration Dept (or whatever it's called), and ask them for how long they keep (failed) asylum seeker's fingerprints in their database? At least that way, you'll be hearing it from the horse's mouth, so to speak! Coz you ain't gonna get a straight answer on here for that one, I'm afraid. Good Luck!

[Mr Rusty]

We're going round in circles here, methinks! Unless someone can reassure the OP that his fingerprints will be removed from file at some point (and when that point will be), our advises are not what he is looking for.
Hey, I've got an idea! OP, why not anonymously ring the Dublin Immigration Dept (or whatever it's called), and ask them for how long they keep (failed) asylum seeker's fingerprints in their database? At least that way, you'll be hearing it from the horse's mouth, so to speak! Coz you ain't gonna get a straight answer on here for that one, I'm afraid. Good Luck!

What absolute rubbish.
This poster has completely missed the point, that the OP can not be denied a Family Permit under European Law because of previous offences under the Immigration Rules either of the UK or of the Irish Republic. The ECO may suspect, because of his previous bad record, that he has contracted a marriage of convenience, but the ECO has to prove that, and if the OP is living legally in Poland with his Polish wife, there is no proof. To attempt to conceal his previous history on the EEA application would be more likely to attract a refusal on "marriage of convenience" grounds, so wittering about whether or where his fingerprints are on record is irrelevant. If asked about his previous record, either on the application form, or at interview, his only plan is to be honest.
Of course, in considering a marriage of convenience allegation his wife's record would also be looked at. If, for example, (and I stress it's only an example, no reflection on the OP's wife), an EEA national was known to have worked as a prostitute, any marriage he/she contracted would be looked at pretty closely. Also if an EEA national marries, gets a family permit/residence card for one non-EEA national, then gets divorced and is the sponsor of a second family permit for somebody else, the ECO is entitled to look more closely at that application.

I would have thought that any anonymous caller to the "Dublin Immigration Department (or whatever it's called)" asking how long fingerprints are kept on record will be politely told to f-off. If this poster thinks that's a good idea, why doesn't he try it?

[Rozen]

Mr Rusty, if you look properly at my previous posts on this matter, I NEVER said that the OP could be refused because of his UK immigration history!

To the contrary, I said that EU regulations are more relaxed than UK national ones, and he might be over worrying as regards the fingerprints on file. I just advised the OP to come clean if asked about his previous immigration history in the UK, which would likely be the case if an interview was requested.

I’m not the one ‘wittering on’ about his fingerprints being on file. OP is! As a matter of fact, I was completely agreeing with your post, in that we were kind of advising the same thing, except OP seemed more worried about his fingerprints than anything else.

As for my ‘idea’, any fool can see that it was said in jest. Pardon me for having a sense of humour!

By the way, I'm a 'she', not a 'he'!

[Sushil-ACCA]

Why we are investing time in fraudsters and any how they want to milk british system

any how i feel this site is to help genuine law abiding people

[Wanderer]

Why we are investing time in fraudsters and any how they want to milk british system

any how i feel this site is to help genuine law abiding people

I must admit I agree totally, immigration law must be the only facet of the law where you commit the crime AND get rewarded for it.

[Obie]

Why we are investing time in fraudsters and any how they want to milk british system

any how i feel this site is to help genuine law abiding people

Absolutely bollocks, offensive and insulting.

Try and be in his shoes for a day, and see what he has to go through.


You will make a good migration watch employee. Have you given it any thought?

[Mr Rusty]

Why we are investing time in fraudsters and any how they want to milk british system

any how i feel this site is to help genuine law abiding people

Absolutely bollocks, offensive and insulting.

Try and be in his shoes for a day, and see what he has to go through.


You will make a good migration watch employee. Have you given it any thought?

It's not offensive and insulting. People are perfectly entitled to take a dim view of those who have offended so severely against the immigration laws of 2 countries as the OP. In his case he can apply legally to come back here, which is what I have advised him to do.
If the law doesn't punish him for what he did, I don't feel it's my place to do so, but I think the case just goes to show what a farce all this European Legislation is, which is why I show him the way. If others choose not to, I don't blame them

[Obie]

Mr Rusty, i don't understand what you mean by, What a farce the EU immigration laws are.

It makes provisions against abuse, Public policy, Public Health and Public Security violations.

What is a farce is the member state that signs up to it and refuses to abide by what they have signed up to, and legally oblige to.

Calling someone a fraudster is uncalled for and totally unacceptable.

Yes , he is allowed to hold a dim view, No he is not allowed to use a language that could potentially cause an offense to someone.

Credit should be given, for the OP coming out clean and explaining his situation.

[Wanderer]

Why we are investing time in fraudsters and any how they want to milk british system

any how i feel this site is to help genuine law abiding people

Absolutely bollocks, offensive and insulting.

Try and be in his shoes for a day, and see what he has to go through.


You will make a good migration watch employee. Have you given it any thought?

It's not offensive and insulting. People are perfectly entitled to take a dim view of those who have offended so severely against the immigration laws of 2 countries as the OP. In his case he can apply legally to come back here, which is what I have advised him to do.
If the law doesn't punish him for what he did, I don't feel it's my place to do so, but I think the case just goes to show what a farce all this European Legislation is, which is why I show him the way. If others choose not to, I don't blame them

That's the rub, there are people on here who are professionals, can switch off from what they think is right and so long as they are being paid, they can separate their job from their principles.

Most of us here aren't, some are pragmatic, like Mr Rusty, others, like me, get wound up when people seemingly get totally let off from their crimes, for they are crimes and benefit and I end up ranting. I think we are entitled, we are not professionals, so either we are tolerated or banned.

Seems the site policy is to ban for obviously antagonist behaviour, anyone who's been pissed-off or lost it because of something that irks them as a member of The Great British Public isn't - so rant away!