pleassee really do need help immigration matter

[afather]

hi u all
this is my first time and i am very happy to find a website like this.
anyways heres my question i m a father of a beautiful 5year old girl she is in uk with her mother i am in Pakistan and would like to go to uk for the court proceedings to be a part of her life (contact order).ive spoken to around 200 solicesters and waisted soo much money and they couldn't give me a good advice and some even said that i can never see my daughter again.can anyone please advice what kind of visa do i need to apply for and on what application form please and any other advice would be very helpful. i don't think that i can apply on the basis of access to a child resident in uk because don't have a contact order.and the mother is not willing to cooperate and she is against me seeing my daughter again please believe me i really need some good advice. don't have any criminal record and dint even overstayed or break any immigration rules....the mother is a British national and my daughter is and in the beginning of 2009 i did apply for a contact order but was unable to attend the proceedings because my father had an heart attack so i had to travel abroad so if there is any kind of visa even if they don't allow me to work i don't mind any help would be nice thanks

[vinny]

Just to make sure whether or not you qualify, see also:

Chapter 7 - Other categories > Section 1.

VAT23 Parents with access rights to children in the UK

Else, try family visitor.

[afather]

but i cant apply under those rules because i dont have the contact order so do i have to apply as a normal visitor first and than when in uk can apply for a contact order than apply under the rules of access to a child resident in uk and thanks for your help and advice

[immigrationuk2009]

but i cant apply under those rules because i dont have the contact order so do i have to apply as a normal visitor first and than when in uk can apply for a contact order than apply under the rules of access to a child resident in uk and thanks for your help and advice

Hi

Can you get affidavit from your wife or partner that you can see your son regularly.This would be OK.

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[immigrationuk2009]

hi u all

#this is my first time and i am very happy to find a website like this.
anyways heres my question i m a father of a beautiful 5year old girl she is in uk with her mother i am in Pakistan and would like to go to uk for the court proceedings to be a part of her life (contact order).

ive spoken to around 200 solicesters and waisted soo much money and they couldn't give me a good advice and some even said that i can never see my daughter again.can anyone please advice what kind of visa do i need to apply for and on what application form please and any other advice would be very helpful. i don't think that i can apply on the basis of access to a child resident in uk because don't have a contact order.and the mother is not willing to cooperate and she is against me seeing my daughter again please believe me i really need some good advice. don't have any criminal record and dint even overstayed or break any immigration rules....the mother is a British national and my daughter is and in the beginning of 2009 i did apply for a contact order but was unable to attend the proceedings because my father had an heart attack so i had to travel abroad so if there is any kind of visa even if they don't allow me to work i don't mind any help would be nice thanks

Hi

Easy solution.Apply for a student visa and once in Uk start family proceedings and get contact order.

If you are in Pak then pm me your contact no. I would guide you properly and free of cost.


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[afather]

the mother wont give me any letter or anything she dont even want me to see my daughter again because she has moved on now.can i just apply for a visit visa and than come to uk and have my court proceddings and one last thing what kind of a visa do i need to apply for for the court proceddings can you please advice me on that

[immigrationuk2009]

the mother wont give me any letter or anything she dont even want me to see my daughter again because she has moved on now.can i just apply for a visit visa and than come to uk and have my court proceddings and one last thing what kind of a visa do i need to apply for for the court proceddings can you please advice me on that

Hi

As I said above why not student visa?

This would be more easy.

Otherwise You can apply as

1.Family visitor and would complete form VAF1B.If refused you would get a right of appeal.You should write a good cover letter that your intention is to see you son.

This is looking difficult to me.May be approved in appeal.

2.General Visitor and you would complete form AVF1A.

Purpose of visit: Others : To start family proceedings and get contact order to regularly visit my son

This is looking good in your case.Write a good cover letter that due to your father health you were unable to get contact order and now for this you need six month visa.

I believe you should file for general visitor and should. gets appeal right.Not sure weather you would get right of appeal in general visitor or not.But logically yes you should get appeal rights.



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[immigrationuk2009]

the mother wont give me any letter or anything she dont even want me to see my daughter again because she has moved on now.can i just apply for a visit visa and than come to uk and have my court proceddings and one last thing what kind of a visa do i need to apply for for the court proceddings can you please advice me on that

Hi

As I said above why not student visa?

This would be more easy.

Otherwise You can apply as

1.Family visitor and would complete form VAF1B.If refused you would get a right of appeal.You should write a good cover letter that your intention is to see you son.

This is looking difficult to me.May be approved in appeal.

2.General Visitor and you would complete form AVF1A.

Purpose of visit: Others : To start family proceedings and get contact order to regularly visit my son

This is looking good in your case.Write a good cover letter that due to your father health you were unable to get contact order and now for this you need six month visa.

I believe you should file for general visitor and should. gets appeal right.Not sure weather you would get right of appeal in general visitor or not.But logically yes you should get appeal rights.



UK_Banned_Member

Hi

You can download visa forms from below link.

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoapply/vafs/

UK_Banned_Member

[Obie]

Hi

Easy solution.Apply for a student visa and once in Uk start family proceedings and get contact order.

If you are in Pak then pm me your contact no. I would guide you properly and free of cost.


UK_Banned_Member

How on earth could you advise someone who has no intentions of studying in the UK to apply for such visa. Are you aware that if the ECO found out about his true intentions, it could potentially jeopardise his ability to secure a UK visa? I find this advise highly irresponsible.

Are you genuinely an immigration Solicitor registered by OISC?

[UKBAbble]

UK_Banned_Member's suggestgions are bordering on the illegal and in any case highly unethical.

[immigrationuk2009]

Hi

Easy solution.Apply for a student visa and once in Uk start family proceedings and get contact order.

If you are in Pak then pm me your contact no. I would guide you properly and free of cost.


UK_Banned_Member

How on earth could you advise someone who has no intentions of studying in the UK to apply for such visa. Are you aware that if the ECO found out about his true intentions, it could potentially jeopardise his ability to secure a UK visa? I find this advise highly irresponsible.

Are you genuinely an immigration Solicitor registered by OISC?

Hi

If you have no idea about situation then keep your mouth shut.

Would you point me to any guidline which says a person whose family is in UK can not apply for study visa.

If you have little guts comes and prove here.

This gentlemen was already in UK for eight years on student visa.So what the point.

Thats way I said It would be more easy to get PSW based on Uk degree or any student visa for further studies.

I dont know there is any immigration rules which says you can not apply for further studies or any rules which says students can not apply for Contact Orders.

He would be unable to apply for access to child visa under rule 246 as he has no contact order.


General Visit visa is other option and I have already advised above.

A right thing with some guts to help.

Not just criticize like women.



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[immigrationuk2009]

UK_Banned_Member's suggestgions are bordering on the illegal and in any case highly unethical.

Completely nonsense.


UK_Banned_Member

[Obie]

Hi

If you have no idea about situation then keep your mouth shut.

Would you point me to any guidline which says a person whose family is in UK can not apply for study visa.

If you have little guts comes and prove here.

This gentlemen was already in UK for eight years on student visa.So what the point.

Thats way I said It would be more easy to get PSW based on Uk degree or any student visa for further studies.

I dont know there is any immigration rules which says you can not apply for further studies or any rules which says students can not apply for Contact Orders.

He would be unable to apply for access to child visa under rule 246 as he has no contact order.


General Visit visa is other option and I have already advised above.

A right thing with some guts to help.

Not just criticize like women.



UK_Banned_Member

I am not criticising you as a person, i am criticising the poor and misleading advise you provided the OP.

The OP doesn't intend to study in the UK, as he has concluded his course of study and left. He has no intention of embarking on another course.

You sole purpose for advising him to apply for a course is to circumvent immigration rules in order to come and see his daughter and use deception in the process, which could result in him being banned under paragraph 320(11) of the immigration rules.

Your conduct has proven to be very poor indeed.

We have advised the OP on the best procedure to use, which is to apply for a Family Visitor visa, and once the Access process is concluded apply through the Access right ruling, which will ultimately lead to settlement for the purpose of facilitating access to his UK child.

Your advise will be costly and frankly speaking illegal, as the OP doesn't seem to have any intention of embarking on a course or committing to one.

I hope i have explained the situation well to you.

[PaperPusher]

A right thing with some guts to help.

Not just criticize like women.

That is a rather sweeping generalisation. I am afraid I find it rather offensive.

Student visas (Tier 4) require rather a lot of money in the bank for living expences nowadays. Plus money for course fees. Say £10,000 to £15,000.

[immigrationuk2009]

Hi

If you have no idea about situation then keep your mouth shut.

Would you point me to any guideline which says a person whose family is in UK can not apply for study visa.

If you have little guts comes and prove here.

This gentlemen was already in UK for eight years on student visa.So what the point.

Thats way I said It would be more easy to get PSW based on Uk degree or any student visa for further studies.

I dont know there is any immigration rules which says you can not apply for further studies or any rules which says students can not apply for Contact Orders.

He would be unable to apply for access to child visa under rule 246 as he has no contact order.


General Visit visa is other option and I have already advised above.

A right thing with some guts to help.

Not just criticize like women.



UK_Banned_Member

I am not criticising you as a person, i am criticising the poor and misleading advise you provided the OP.

The OP doesn't intend to study in the UK, as he has concluded his course of study and left. He has no intention of embarking on another course.

You sole purpose for advising him to apply for a course is to circumvent immigration rules in order to come and see his daughter and use deception in the process, which could result in him being banned under paragraph 320(11) of the immigration rules.

Your conduct has proven to be very poor indeed.

We have advised the OP on the best procedure to use, which is to apply for a Family Visitor visa, and once the Access process is concluded apply through the Access right ruling, which will ultimately lead to settlement for the purpose of facilitating access to his UK child.

Your advise will be costly and frankly speaking illegal, as the OP doesn't seem to have any intention of embarking on a course or committing to one.

I hope i have explained the situation well to you.

Hi

Agian nonsense.

You are not reading my reply just speaking.

If you seen my last posts I have also advised about visit visa with proper guideline what forms to use.I have not ruled out family visit visa.

Not tell me would it be a easy thing to prove visit visa as proceedings.

How you will prove this.There is no visa category for legal proceedings.

It comes under Any other reasons and difficult to prove.

op has send me pm saying he has done BBA in uk.Not MBA YET.

I said both options are possible but which is more easy.

To me its student visa not visa for family proceedings.

I have not seen a single person saying he has got visa for court proceedings.

First read posts clearly then comments.

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[immigrationuk2009]

Hi

I am not criticising you as a person, i am criticising the poor and misleading advise you provided the OP.

Thank for your valuable advise.I am really impressed.

The OP doesn't intend to study in the UK, as he has concluded his course of study and left. He has no intention of embarking on another course.

OP send me Pm saying he has completed BBA.But he has not ruled out that he would do MBA.

You sole purpose for advising him to apply for a course is to circumvent immigration rules in order to come and see his daughter and use deception in the process, which could result in him being banned under paragraph 320(11) of the immigration rules.

Are you in your mind.How this is deception.Completely nonsense.

Are you saying a student can not apply for contact order and can not see his daughter.Where is this written and would you prove how is this deception.No way

Can he not study and see his daughter at same time.

You should read immigration rules then come here and advise.

If you can prove your any point I said with clear immigration rules then come and prove it.

I bet you can



UK_Banned_Member

[PaperPusher]

I think the original poster actually wants to see his daughter rather than just come to the UK. And according to the OP the mother is refusing contact.

Tier 4 would mean the cost of that PLUS family proceedings. It would also mean studying and attending college otherwise the leave could be curtailed.

I hope the BBA you mention is a real one rather than a diploma mill. If so, Tier 2 could be an option if the OP can find an employer as a sponsor.

[immigrationuk2009]

I think the original poster actually wants to see his daughter rather than just come to the UK. And according to the OP the mother is refusing contact.

Tier 4 would mean the cost of that PLUS family proceedings. It would also mean studying and attending college otherwise the leave could be curtailed.

I hope the BBA you mention is a real one rather than a diploma mill. If so, Tier 2 could be an option if the OP can find an employer as a sponsor.

Hi

But he can not see unless comes to Uk and secure a contact order which is real issue.Otherwise he can apply from here under rule246 of immigration rules.


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