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FrozeFire
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Applying with expired passport - need help

Post by FrozeFire » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:42 am

Hi everyone!

My problem is the following. Both my visa and passport are expired now, and I've applied for EEA2 visa recently but my documents where sent back to me for the reason that I didn't provide vaild passport. The problem is that I can't get a valid one as in order to do that I need to go to my home country. And if I do that, I won't be able to get back as I still haven't got any visa. So the only option for me was to get the visa first and then get back to home and change my passport. And I described everything in detail on a separate sheet when was sending my application. And they still didn't accept my application, giving quite formal reply: 'Please provide valid passport or ID card'.

I am at a stalemate now, don't really know what to do next.
Would appreciate any help, thanks!

P.S. I've got valid Uk Provisional License. Can it be considered as ID card?

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Post by WellingtonKiwi » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:37 pm

A UK licence won’t work as they need to see your nationality details. They won’t consider an application without a valid passport unfortunately.
Can I ask where you are from? You should be able to get a new passport from outside your country via the nearest embassy.

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Post by FrozeFire » Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:10 pm

I am from Uzbekistan.
No, our embassy only gives us a paper (certificate) to get back home. I wonder, if this certificate will work as ID for Home Office.

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Post by WellingtonKiwi » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:12 pm

Ah, that makes things tricky. If I were you I’d ring, explain your situation and ask if there is any possibility they’ll consider your application with the certificate issued by your embassy as ID.

If worse came to worse, you could return home, get a new passport and apply for an EEA Family Permit from home (if there’s a British Embassy there), or the nearest British Embassy. The Family Permit should be issued as a priority (mine took 3 days) gives you 6 months to enter the UK, then you can lodge your EEA2 application....

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Post by FrozeFire » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:30 pm

I called the HO today and adviser told me that they won't accept any certificates from the embassy of my country and that the only solution is to go home and change the passport there.
I faced some situations when the HO advisors who repond the email inquires where totally not aware even of basic things, for example when I asked if EEA2 Residence Card is really a card or it is an endorsement, they sent me a quote from their website stating something like: "non-EEA national family members are issued a residence CARD", intentionally making the word "card" uppercase, hinting on what a stupid I am that asking such questions. But I've heard several times from people that it is NOT A CARD really, so I replied back asking if they were sure if it was really a card which is not issued into passport. Another adviser responded confirming that it is a separate card. After that I found on ukba website and even in the EEA2 application form that "A residence card is normally valid for five years, and takes the form of an endorsement that is placed in the holder's passport".
So I came to conclusion that those advisors who are replying emails are not competent enough. Therefore I can assume that advisors who are on the phone could be of the same level of competence and decided to check the laws myself, finding the following:


Passport and Travel Documents:
9. RESTRICTED RETURNABILITY

Certain countries apply restrictions on the length of time which may be spent
abroad by their own nationals
and resident holders of non-national
documents. However, the practice of strictly applying the concept of
"restricted returnability" to limit the period of entry granted to those affected by
this consideration has eased in recent years. Caseworkers and immigration
officers should, however, consider a time-restricted grant of leave to enter
where appropriate.


...

9.2. After-entry

Leave to remain may normally be granted beyond passport validity, but no
more than one period should be granted on a passport which is already out of
date. When leave to remain is granted on a passport which is already out of
date and the applicant is likely to require further leave to remain before
becoming eligible for settlement, note 6 should be issued to the applicant,
stating that no further extensions will be granted in the out-of-date passport.
There is, however, no objection to placing an endorsement of indefinite leave
to remain in an expired passport.
Leave to remain in respect of holders of non-national travel documents of any
description should not go beyond two months before the expiry of the
document or any exit visa endorsed within it. Where necessary, applicants
should be advised to obtain an extension to the validity of the document if a
further extension of stay is to be sought.
If an applicant fails to secure renewal of the passport or exit visa, a further
application should be refused in accordance with Paragraph 322(8) of HC 395
(see Chapter 9, Section 4 to these instructions).
I am not sure yet if I've got the thing which they call "restricted returnability". In our country each citizen who wants to leave country needs to apply to our Home office to get an exit visa granted for 2 years. I've got such 'exit visa' in my passport, it is written on it "is valid for visiting all countries in the world until 12.03.2011".

Can I apply again, referring to the above mentioned sections?

Thanks beforehand.

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