Regarding Naturalisation

Krish2000 · Post by **Krish2000** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:53 pm

Dear Friends,

I have just been informed that my application for naturalisation has been successful (I am yet to attend the cermony) and would benefit greatly with some of your advice on what to do next with regards to:

1. I understand that I've already lost my Indian citizenship. I assume that this is something that happens by default as soon as the Home Office have made a positive decision on my application for naturalisation - or - do I need to inform any authorities?

2. I understand that I can hold on to my Indian passport until I am granted a UK passport. Can I use this to travel in the interim.

3. At what stage do I inform Indian High Commision of the change in my status and surrender my passport.

4. Is there anything else I need to do now?

Many thanks!

mhunjn · Post by **mhunjn** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:30 pm

Interesting... similar question I was going to ask as well...

My take on this...

Isn't it that you are an Indian citizen till you actually get the certificate after attending the ceremony?...

You haven't lost your Indian citizenship as yet... it stays till you accept UK citizenship by taking the oath.

And you cannot travel with your Indian passport AFTER you have taken the certificate, as then you would be an UK citizen.

You should let the IHC know about this AFTER you have taken the oath and have received the certificate.

Post by **John** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:48 pm

You will not be a British Citizen until you get handed your Certificate of Naturalisation at your Citizenship Ceremony. So there is no question of losing anything until that moment in time.

Also I think you should not rush to send your Indian passport back to their Embassy/Consulate. The reason is that when you apply for your British passport, presumably shortly after you get your Certificate of Naturalisation, you will need to submit your Indian passport. It will get returned to you ... totally unmarked ... but it is needed to ensure that your new photo ... for the British passport ... looks vaguely like the one in your Indian passport.

lemess · Post by **lemess** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:59 pm

I echo John's view. You will be a british citizen only after you complete your citizenship ceremony. Your Indian passport will be technically invalid from that point.

However do not send it to the Indian HC yet as John says - you will need it to apply for your UK passport after naturalisation.

Once you receive your UK passport then you can submit your Indian passport to the high commission. If you want to apply for a PIO card or OCI , the best thing to do is to send your Indian passport along with that application. They will cancel it and hand it back to you and it will also serve as proof of your qualification for a PIO or OCI card.

confused1 · Post by **confused1** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:00 am

Guess what? How would the Indian Officials would know that you became a British citizen unless you tell them

Why not just leave your Indian passport as it is with ILR stamp in it

aLSO AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE A BRITISH CITIZEN.

(BUT DON'T DO THAT. THEN YOU'LL BE BREAKING THE LAW)

DID ANY ONE SAID THAT RULES ARE MADE TO BE BROKEN

NAUGHTY NAUGHTY

[Moderator edit (John) : Writing in Block Capitals on the internet is equivalent to shouting. Any posts made in Block Capitals are liable to be deleted without warning.]

lemess · Post by **lemess** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:24 am

Why not just leave your Indian passport as it is with ILR stamp in it aLSO AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE A BRITISH CITIZEN.

If you want to risk being locked in an Indian jail or deportation if you're ever caught using your Indian passport - do feel free to do this.

If one had acquired British citizenship already, using an Indian passport that you are not entitled to is a very serious crime.

The key issue is why would anyone want to risk doing stuff like this ? They are bound to get caught out one day and the consequences of using a false international travel document in the post 9/11 period are not going to be pleasant. An Indian passport hardly gives you easier international travel and for visa free travel back to India and ability to work there, it is very easy to use your invalid Indian passport to get a PIO or OCI card.

As far as using a current but technically invalid document for your UK passport application is concerned ,the officials at the UKPS are not interested in whether the passport you submit for your UK passport application is valid for travel and they do not care about ILR stamps etc. They use it solely to verify identity - i.e they use a document issued by a government ( even a foreign government) that has your picture in it.
Your naturalisation certificate ( and their access to IND databases) confirms your entitlement to a UK passport.

Confused you are doing justice to your name judging by your posts on this and other topics. I'm sorry to say this but a lot of what you have been posting does come under the 'rubbish' category.

mhunjn · Post by **mhunjn** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:43 am

Why is it that the only aim in life for some people is to look for loopholes to break the law?... even though there might be a perfectly legitimate way to achieve the same thing!... why do you need to hold on to your Indian passport when you can get pretty much the same facility by a PIO or an OCI card/visa?...
The only thing you can't do is vote or get a govt job, but the very fact that you have taken up BN shows that you intend to reside in UK, so no question of voting in Indian ecletions or getting a govt job in India.

If on the other hand you want that option... just don't go for BN!.... stay on ILR...as simple as that!

confused1 wrote:Guess what? How would the Indian Officials would know that you became a British citizen unless you tell them

Why not just leave your Indian passport as it is with ILR stamp in it aLSO AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE A BRITISH CITIZEN.

(BUT DON'T DO THAT. THEN YOU'LL BE BREAKING THE LAW)

DID ANY ONE SAID THAT RULES ARE MADE TO BE BROKEN

NAUGHTY NAUGHTY

[Moderator edit (John) : Writing in Block Capitals on the internet is equivalent to shouting. Any posts made in Block Capitals are liable to be deleted without warning.]

Krish2000 · Post by **Krish2000** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:42 pm

Dear Friends,

Many thanks for your informed advice on the future course of action. These posts did clarify a lot of things and being 'confused' is not even an option!

Best regards!

confused1 · Post by **confused1** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:17 am

lemess wrote:Confused you are doing justice to your name judging by your posts on this and other topics. I'm sorry to say this but a lot of what you have been posting does come under the 'rubbish' category.

Lemess, may be what I have said about the indian passport potion is not a wise things to do, but, if you look at my other posts they simply aren't. If you can find any just quote them.

ppron747 · Post by **ppron747** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:46 am

I'd like to nominate "JUST DON'T TELL THE IMMIGRATION OFFICERS AT THE PORT OF ENTRY IN UK. IF YOU DON'T TELL THEM THEY WON'T KNOW. PROBLEM SOLVED " for the special biscuit....

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