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1) Till now the rules have not been applied retrospectively which would mean that the rules for extension will stay the same as it was at the time of intial application.(post or pre 6th april)mtuckersa wrote:if everyone who wants to extend their Tier 1 visa fall under the rules after the 6th April, then they will effectively lose points on earnings most likely and be 5 or 10 pts short
So its not so simple as just 75+10+10 that only applies if its on the rules before 6th April
Sure, READ the SOC june 2010...mtuckersa wrote:can you provide evidence to support that claim
Yes, it is unlikely that they would take our opinion.Now, they don't care about your or my opinion. There is no option for us to send our feedback to MAC.
Do we really know more details will come?Let us wait for a couple of weeks more until further details are published on how exactly they are going to implement the changes from July 19th to April 2010. We can then send the petition or letter accordingly.
This is as for now but MAC is looking into the T1 holders as well. We are talking about the future changes, if they occur !it will not effect on ppl are already in country on T1 (G) or who go for extension on same category
Well, these are the very reasons why the governement is introducing new rules. In their view, fewer migrants working and going to school here is better for UK. Maybe you should put your point in a different way.ukswus wrote:The introduction of such an uncertainty may have other detrimental implications. For example, suppose a Tier 1 General holder intends to find a new job about a year before their current visa will expire. One can imagine how difficult it will be for them to find an employer willing to take them on, without knowing if they will be able to fit into the quota.
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From yet another perspectives, the costs of such a cap on dependents of Tier 1 holders can be very substantial. Their spouses will face the same uncertainly regarding meeting a possible cap requirement on extension applicants, making it very difficult for them to find an employer willing to employ them. Moreover, in a hypothetical scenario when the otherwise qualified Tier 1 holder fails to get an extension because of the cap, their children may have to leave school in the middle of the academic year, losing a whole year of education because of having to go back home (school programs have considerable variation in their curricula around the world).
My point is that such changes should not apply to existing migrants. We all came here under completely different expectations; many of our dependents had to sacrifice careers to follow us here, under the assumption that at least they stay with us and work.Pierrot95 wrote:Well, these are the very reasons why the governement is introducing new rules. In their view, fewer migrants working and going to school here is better for UK. Maybe you should put your point in a different way.ukswus wrote:The introduction of such an uncertainty may have other detrimental implications. For example, suppose a Tier 1 General holder intends to find a new job about a year before their current visa will expire. One can imagine how difficult it will be for them to find an employer willing to take them on, without knowing if they will be able to fit into the quota.
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From yet another perspectives, the costs of such a cap on dependents of Tier 1 holders can be very substantial. Their spouses will face the same uncertainly regarding meeting a possible cap requirement on extension applicants, making it very difficult for them to find an employer willing to employ them. Moreover, in a hypothetical scenario when the otherwise qualified Tier 1 holder fails to get an extension because of the cap, their children may have to leave school in the middle of the academic year, losing a whole year of education because of having to go back home (school programs have considerable variation in their curricula around the world).
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I totally agree with your point. I just don't agree with how you put it. Saying that it is going to make finding a job more difficult for Tier1s and their partners is not going to make our case easier. If you say that in a public debate, the average British will respond that it is exactly what he wants. Don't forget that this is more a political issue than a simple immigtation issue. The government is aware that they are targetting the wrong people, but they don't have any other way of responding to the concern of British people about immigration. They want to send the message that they are addressing that concern and, unfortunately, we are the weakest link.ukswus wrote:My point is that such changes should not apply to existing migrants. We all came here under completely different expectations; many of our dependents had to sacrifice careers to follow us here, under the assumption that at least they stay with us and work.
Had it been made clear to us, from the outset, that the migrants/dependent extensions may be capped, trust me, not many of us would have bothered to come.
Pierrot95 wrote: The government is aware that they are targetting the wrong people, but they don't have any other way of responding to the concern of British people about immigration. They want to send the message that they are addressing that concern and, unfortunately, we are the weakest link.
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So, by this rationale, we should not mention the threat to our interests at all? After all, the British public, on average, doesn't give a damn about them, right? So, what do we end up with? I already mentioned harm done to employers forced to say goodbye to their valuable employees. What else, taxes?Pierrot95 wrote:I totally agree with your point. I just don't agree with how you put it. Saying that it is going to make finding a job more difficult for Tier1s and their partners is not going to make our case easier. If you say that in a public debate, the average British will respond that it is exactly what he wants. Don't forget that this is more a political issue than a simple immigtation issue. The government is aware that they are targetting the wrong people, but they don't have any other way of responding to the concern of British people about immigration. They want to send the message that they are addressing that concern and, unfortunately, we are the weakest link.ukswus wrote:My point is that such changes should not apply to existing migrants. We all came here under completely different expectations; many of our dependents had to sacrifice careers to follow us here, under the assumption that at least they stay with us and work.
Had it been made clear to us, from the outset, that the migrants/dependent extensions may be capped, trust me, not many of us would have bothered to come.
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I never said that. We should be wiser in how we defend our interests.ukswus wrote:So, by this rationale, we should not mention the threat to our interests at all?
The British public do care about our contribution to the economy, our taxes, ... and so do the government. They don't care about how easy it is for us or our partners to find a job. The governement has no commitment to help us. Their commitment is to the Bristish people and the economy. If by helping the economy they are helping us, that's good.After all, the British public, on average, doesn't give a damn about them, right?
And I agree.I already mentioned harm done to employers forced to say goodbye to their valuable employees. What else, taxes?
If retrospective changes is the only way the government has to deliver their promise on immigration, they will do it. Unless we can convince them (or the judge) that it is illegal or that they are violating human rights.Also, keep in mind that we are addressing MAC recommendations here. MAC consists primarily of University Professors, and not "general public". Incidentally, they already spoke against retrospective changes in the past.
If you don't want any comment on your view, why write on a public forum?Also, rather than arguing here, it would be much more productive if you put the argument your way, and sent it to HSMP forum, or whoever you feel appropriate.