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by vinny » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:59 pm
maxiy wrote:As I will be travelling to the UK to get the
UK Life test + ESOL Course so I could apply for my ILE..
For
KOL, you'll need either
one or the
other, not both.
If
visiting, then the
KOL test may be appropriate.
Practice.
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by geriatrix » Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:23 am
Not all not-native-English-speaker need to take / pass ESOL course. If you can read, write, speak, and understand English, then you don't need it.
Given on the same webpage that you provided the link for:
If you do not know the level of your English skills, you should work through the tutorial on the
Life in the UK test website. If you cannot fully understand the information in that tutorial, you may need to take an ESOL course containing citizenship materials.
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by geriatrix » Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:05 am
There are other tests that you can take (to fulfil the new English Language test requirement effective from 29-Nov) rather than undergo the entire ESOL course. Taking an alternative test rather than ESOL course may be economical too. And you can take these tests in Egypt itself - from any approved test provider with a test centre in Egypt! See also
New English language testing for partners.
It's up to you - what you wish to do - depending on your level of English language proficiency. ESOL is not the only option available ... there are others too!
For the purpose of spouse visa, ESOL Skills for Life tests are conducted only by
Edexcel.
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by vinny » Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:16 am
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by maxiy » Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:38 am
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by Casa » Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:18 am
An approved ESOL course with Citizens content takes anything up to one year of study...so isn't suitable for a visit.
Colleges who previously offered 'quick study courses' of a few weeks have been removed from the approved UKBA list.
You just need to pass the Life in the UK test and the new pre-entry English test for which you've already been given the link by Sushdmehta.
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by maxiy » Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:47 pm
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by Casa » Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:40 pm
I believe you will find that the 'colleges' offering 2-3 week ESOL courses have now been withdrawn from the UKBA approved list as the Home Office considered these to be ways in which the 'college' could make some easy and quick money with high fees and the student didn't need to study the material to the level required.
The ESOL courses don't offer the Life in the UK test, they have to include Citizens content, meaning they cover the same study material. The KOL test and ESOL courses are still separate. If you have level 3 English (which you obviously have), you wouldn't be accepted on a UKBA approved ESOL course.
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by Casa » Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:44 pm
This is from the UKBA guidance on ESOL:
"There have been instances reported where migrants already close to attaining a particular ESOL level have taken a very short course giving them a qualification at that level but no higher. Such a course is of very little value to the applicant and does not assist the applicant in developing their understanding of English to aid their integration into the UK. The expectation in such cases is that the college will take a rigorous approach to the initial assessment and to placing students on appropriate courses. For applicants already very close to attaining ESOL Entry Level 1, the appropriate course is likely to be one leading to ESOL Entry Level 2. Similarly, those close to Entry Level 2 could be expected to undertake a course leading to a qualification at Entry Level 3. This approach will ensure that applicants obtain maximum benefit from their course of study and that the requirement to have made progression is met."
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An accredited college means a college which is either
a publicly funded college subject to inspection by Ofsted or its devolved equivalents; or
a private college which is accredited by Accreditation UK, the British Accreditation Council (BAC), the Accreditation Body for Language Services (ABLS) or the Accreditation Service for International Colleges (ASIC).
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by vinny » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:05 am
maxiy wrote:My Level of English is very good spoken and written ( I know I have some spelling mistakes) but I have been practicing English for about 15 years now and 10 years Business English.
Then you probably wouldn't need a course to help you with the
English language for partners test.
However, you
should study for the
KOL test.
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by maxiy » Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:33 pm
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by Casa » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:19 pm
Click on the English language for partners test Vinny has given you. This thread has the information you need.
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by maxiy » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:50 pm
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