Salary requirement for shortage occupation

psychic · Post by **psychic** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:56 am

I went through the shortage occupation document and could not find any indication about salary requirements.

Does that mean only the 20k minimum salary requirement applies?

arsenal49 · Post by **arsenal49** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:25 pm

only code of practice lists salary requirements.

Note down the job SOC code in shortage list and look it up in code of practice

psychic · Post by **psychic** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:59 pm

32k at the end of my PSW, I am f***** XD

Btw, although I am an engineer, my job title ends with an "analyst" title, and I could not find any analyst type occupation in the codes of practice. Any help there?

arsenal49 · Post by **arsenal49** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:22 pm

dont you have graduate-equivalent salary requirement for your job code?

psychic · Post by **psychic** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:34 pm

Arsenal, can you please guide me to where I can find the graduate equivalent?

arsenal49 · Post by **arsenal49** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:24 am

if you look in section M of code of practice, there are certain titles where graduate salary of 23k is required...

im assuming you have something similar in your section. admittedly, not EVERY job title has this graduate salary requirement given, which means more stringent requirement applies

psychic · Post by **psychic** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:55 am

Ah thanks arsenal, I found that. Any idea what they mean by new graduates and also if there are any job codes that describe analyst type roles?

arsenal49 · Post by **arsenal49** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:53 pm

im still trying to find definition of a "new graduate"...

if you find the definition somewhere, please post here

Post by **geriatrix** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:04 pm

Personal opinion:

A new graduate may be a person who has:
1. qualified in the academic year preceding the Tier 2 application, and
2. applying for "first" job.

I cannot say, however, if someone who qualified in an earlier academic year but is applying for "first" job today can be considered as a new graduate (in context).

psychic · Post by **psychic** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:40 pm

Even if your definition holds true(sounds logical), as far as I have seen, there is a 8-15k difference between the graduate level salary and regular one in the code of practice. This begs the question - what about PSW holders who have recently graduated but cannot reach the very high 25 percentile salary level within 2 years?

Does that mean we are.....? or has anybody heard anything about interim arrangements for PSW holders?

arsenal49 · Post by **arsenal49** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:44 am

surely, anyone who is on a PSW visa should be considered a "new graduate" because PSW scheme was there to retain the new graduates in this country.

It will be a minefield if UKBA attempts to restrict "new graduates" according to the year they graduated in. Not every one starts working from the day they graduate! so should they be disadvataged just because they didnt have a job following their graduation?

Mind you, PSW is for two years and you can't expect graduates working for same company (on psw) for more than 12 months to suddenly become highly skilled, thus falling under more stringent salary requirement.

I would like to think anyone who is switching from psw to Tier 2 should be considered a "new graduate" as it will simplify the application checking process for UKBA.

Any comments?

thanks

psychic · Post by **psychic** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:35 am

Logically what you say mirrors my sentiment and is right, but will UKBA take the efforts to do that? Is it not much easier to shun a few PSW holders for political and policy gains?

Hope interim arrangements are in place for us.

arsenal49 · Post by **arsenal49** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:30 pm

psw and in-country applicants WILL NOT effect their net figures at all as they are exempt from the limit. (i.e. they cant score brownie points with their electorate!)

They have already made it difficult for psw holders trying to switch from to tier 2 by the introduction of graduate-level jobs (after MAC consultations) so in all likelihood they wont further tighten the screws anymore.

Otherwise, they will have to do ANOTHER consultation. Either way, its unlikely the result of that consultation will be out in next 4,5 months as govt has already got a lot on their plate.

again... just my personal thoughts on the matter.

anyone see flaw in my logic?

cheers

psychic · Post by **psychic** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:24 pm

arsenal49 wrote:psw and in-country applicants WILL NOT effect their net figures at all as they are exempt from the limit. (i.e. they cant score brownie points with their electorate!)
cheers

The policy is a reduction in net migration (incoming-outgoing), hence if they can make more people to leave the country, it is a gain for them

psychic · Post by **psychic** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:48 pm

bumping this thread because I am currently looking(forced) for a new job because of the salary requirements even though I like my current position.

Questions to be answered:

1. UKBA has no clear definition for new graduates.
2. Career websites of a few universities have indicated that jobs that are not present in the codes of practice can be applied for with a minimum 20k salary.
3. Legally, if PSW to Tier 2 is rejected due to salary, is there a good case for appeal as shown below:

i. Existing Tier 2, WP holders have interim arrangements to be exempt
from new rules.
ii. New graduates have really reduced salary requirements.
iii. Existing Tier 1 general also have interim arrangements.

Which leaves only PSW with no interim support.

arsenal49 · Post by **arsenal49** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:23 pm

sushdmehta
Personal opinion:

A new graduate may be a person who has:
1. qualified in the academic year preceding the Tier 2 application, and
2. applying for "first" job.

I cannot say, however, if someone who qualified in an earlier academic year but is applying for "first" job today can be considered as a new graduate (in context).

Do you still stand by your personal opinion. Anything that happened in last few months that backs up your opinion or otherwise.

I would really like to know.

Also, doing a bit of reverse engineering here based on the following case study.
Graduated in : June 2009
Psw valid until: September 2011
First Job: February 2010
Tier 2 App on: June 2011

under which para can they refuse your application if you apply stating the 'new graduate' salary assuming they decide to force your above-mentioned personal definition of new graduate.

Surely, one would be able to win an appeal easily since they have not defined this 'new graduate' term anywhere in the guidance or elsewhere! and hence they can refuse application based on something thats basically NOT there!

I just would like to see members' interpretation of the situation on this matter.

Regards

Post by **geriatrix** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:45 pm

arsenal49 wrote:Surely, one would be able to win an appeal easily since they have not defined this 'new graduate' term anywhere in the guidance or elsewhere!

If I were you, I wouldn't rely on such assumption.

The only place where I see the use of the term "new graduate" is against the term "milkround". Not that I have looked at every document so if you do find anything different, do post.

Milkround is a term used to describe the phenomenon of companies / employers touring the universities each year, in order to advertise their opportunities and recruit students. In layman's language - annual recruitment fair, graduate recruitment programme etc.

In light of this, I would further constrict my (earlier held) opinion to the following - that only current students nearing completion of courses fall within the scope of "new graduate".

IMHO ...

arsenal49 · Post by **arsenal49** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:03 pm

thanks for the input...

for what its worth... this is the para under which ukba might refuse application based on the above case study.

79B. no points will be awarded for appropriate salary if the salary referred to in paragraph 79 above is
less than the appropriate rate for the job as stated in the codes of practice for Tier 2 sponsors published
by the UK Border agency, unless the applicant is an established entertainer as defined in paragraph 6 of
these rules

i will appreciate any reasonable counter-comments to what is stated by esteemed member(sushdmehta) of the forum above. thanks

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Salary requirement for shortage occupation

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