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Applying before entering would be more useful. Also possible to apply in-country. It provides further proof of your status.marty06 wrote:Vinny - are you saying apply for a CoE once you've entered the country on a foreign passport?
Not according to this page from the UKBA, which says:Backer wrote:Your naturalization certiticate will be accpeted at border control as proof of your british citizenship (along with your foriegn passport)
The mention of ID cards here is obviously now out of date. (Also, UKBA, being the Border Agency, is concerned only with what constitutes proof of the right of abode at the border, not for people already in the country.)ROA5 Proof of the right of abode
Under section 3(9) of the 1971 Act, as amended by the Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act 2006, a person claiming the right of abode in the UK can prove it by presenting either:
— a UK passport or an ID Card issued under the Identity Cards Act 2006 describing them as a British citizen; or
— a UK passport or an ID Card issued under the Identity Cards Act 2006 describing them as a British subject with the right of abode in the UK; or
— a certificate of entitlement to the right of abode.
This superseded earlier legislation, which allowed other documentation in some cases.
I think part of the point is to expedite the entry of people. Allowing passengers to present certificates of naturalisation and so on would inevitably make things slower, since they are not tied directly to the passenger's passport. A passenger might be able to use it, but I wouldn't depend upon it.Marty06 wrote:It's hypothetical, trying to avoid paying for two passports if we returned to the UK, and just wondering what would happen.
The proof we'd have would be a naturalization certiticate, which I'm sure would be fine for jobs, GP etc.
I'm just exploring the paradox that (a) a British citizen can enter the UK on any passport and (b) once cleared to enter, on whatever basis, a UK citizen cannot be deported, nor do they have to produce any form of official identity card or passport in order to have the right to stay.
Proof of citizenship once you're in the the country could presumably be a birth or naturalization certiticate. But as far as I can tell, these documents would mean nothing at border control. Thus the second paradox, that (a) to enter the UK as a citizen, someone has to produce a British passport or Right of Abode Certificate but (b) once in the UK, a citizen could prove citizenship without either of these two things.
You might be right. It would be interesting to know if anyone here has done this and, if anyone has, whether it resulted in an untoward delay.Backer wrote:Thanks Christophe. However, I was personally told by an IO at the airport that a naturalization certificate can be presented as proof of British citizenship.
Even according to the page from the UKBA: — a certificate of entitlement to the right of abode - Well, isn't a naturalization certificate equivalent or even superior because a basic right of a British citizen is always the right to abode?
Personally, I find it hard to beleive that someone with a naturalization certificate (+valid foreign passport) will be denied entry to the UK as a citizen.
The poster might be trying to save the £72 passport application fee, or their country of origin doesnt allow dual citizenship like many countries in Africa and Asia.Greenie wrote:to make things simple - why not just travel on a British passport! I don't understand why this is an issue.
The UK does not require British citizens to enter the UK on a British passport. All that it requires is that the documentation presented should be sufficient for the purpose of the trip. Since there are no routine restrictions placed on French citizens who enter the UK (as noted by Backer), there is no problem in a British citizen entering the UK using a French passport (or French ID card) the he or she legitimately holds.fhumbert wrote:Hi there,
I have been watching this thread a little.
Although I haven't been travelling much lately, I was in and out of the country many times in 2009.
I am a dual national of the UK and France and I hold a British passport, a French passport and a French identity card.
During 2009, I am pretty sure that I used any of those documents indiscriminately to get into the UK and I was never flagged up.
I guess the BA's computer system is not clever enough to pick up such patterns.