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Trinx · Post by **Trinx** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:31 pm

HI.. I feel i do not completely understand everything on this forum, but i really need help..

I am irish national and i am wondering about marraige to a visa requiring non EU national.. What is the best course of action to take? Do i marry him in his country? how do i go about getting him to join me here? IF anyone has been through this before from ireland can you please give me your experiences in simple terms. If we marry in his country, can he even visit me here until he gets granted permission to remain or is it likely he wont be permitted entry into the state because if we are married they wil assume he will stay without authoisation... All this seems so very complicated to me.. I am worried about the future of our relationship. Moving to his country to live with him would be difficult for me for personal reasons, its near to impossible. Please Help me

Sooooo confused by all the jargon.. dont understand it at all..

knapps · Post by **knapps** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:18 pm

Did you put another post in the forum about bringing your non EU spouse with you spouse without Visa to Ireland?

Please explain the situation clearly. Which country is he from? How long have you both been together? Can you prove your relationship? no email/chat etc a concrete evidence of relationship.

If you marry to his country then your husband needs to apply for a visa.

Trinx · Post by **Trinx** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:16 pm

Hi
Thanks for your reply.. Not married yet.. We wish to sometime in the future.. I have visited him and he intends to visit me in a few months by obtaining tourist visa but we maintain our contact daily when we are not together in person through the internet, telephone, its the only way at the moment.. He has good job and savings etc but it is my understanding that its difficult for egyptians to get even the tourist visas.

Im just feeling a little disheartened today.. worrying about the future.. All the immigration jargon is confusing to me and i cant make sense of any of it.. It alls seems very complicated to me.. Im feeling that if he doesnt get the tourist visa he wont get any other visa either.. He wont be able to prove our relationship if he himself has no stamps on his passport to ireland.. Its seems a catch 22 situation.. I cant keep going over all the time, he has to come sometimes too..

Yes i did post earlier.. It was stupid question but thats the impressions floating in my head from some of what i have read.. Some info is conflicting depending on where you read it.. Its just an example on how i misunderstand things..

Regards

mauritania · Post by **mauritania** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:07 pm

A tourist visa is not impossible, we got one for my partner and we also got a multiple trip on the first attempt too. Is he living in Egypt? Well first can you show your flights, accom in Egypt? Like pp said can you show chat, calls history of stuff like that.
He can come here and marry you. That info is on citizens advice website. You need to give notice and stuff so have a read or go to your local office and they will explain it to you. In my experience they'll also help with you making an application. Your partner will have to post it to his nearest Irish Embassy. I found most of all persistence got us the visa, calling the embassy every day and then calling immigration and annoying them too.
Good luck

Trinx · Post by **Trinx** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:20 pm

Hi

Thank you.. Yes he is living in Egypt.. It gets worse. Im trainee accountant but was made redundant from my job a few months back.. I cant issue him with invite letter because the supporting bank statements wud show i cannot support him..

He plans to support himself,he has the funds and wil stay in a hotel here for a week. I want him to be honest in his application and tell him we are together.. I would like to write a friendly letter just to confirm his relationship with me and show he has a tie with ireland... I was thinking in sending copy of my passport with it and copy of visas.. What do u think? he wil also get reference letter from an old german boss who thinks highly of him.

Can you tell me how u got ur tourist visa and ur partners nationality XX

IQU · Post by **IQU** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:23 pm

check the pm

mauritania · Post by **mauritania** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:23 pm

My partner is from Mauritania. I am social welfare payments and he had no income so income is not an issue. Would he not stay with you rather than a hotel? I wrote a two page letter detailing all relationship history, I was pregnant so included records of that. Photos of us throughout our relationship, flights history, hotel bookings, skype history, emails, everything.

Trinx · Post by **Trinx** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:29 pm

mauritania

Was this for a tourist visa???? he got it with no money??

mauritania · Post by **mauritania** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:32 pm

Yes, in my letter I stated that he could stay with me in my house and that I would feed him and that he had a european health card from living in spain that would cover any medical expenses. He got a multiple trip C class tourist visa

Trinx · Post by **Trinx** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:35 pm

I think because he was member of EU it might have been a little easier .. My friend is egyptian

i think it might be hard for him

mauritania · Post by **mauritania** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:37 pm

He had a spanish residency card but he is not an eu citizen so it wouldnt make much difference. I know three egyptians in my local area and I live in the countryside. I wouldn't rule out the chance just write up the best application you can and pester them until you get it

Trinx · Post by **Trinx** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:40 pm

Oh thanks so much.. Some Hoooope

Is getting tourist visa as hard as i think it is???? xx

knapps · Post by **knapps** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:27 am

I dont think for Egyptian national getting tourist visa is an issue. Not sure after what happened lately in Egypt. But hope is there and yes if all goes well and he is honest and you too while dealing with embassies.

Sun will rise and you will be together..
All the best!!!

Trinx · Post by **Trinx** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:52 am

Thank you all for your words of encouragement.

I felt overloaded yesterday with the information i was reading.. I feel so much better now

Its nice to meet such lovely kind people who are willing to offer words of encouragement and support..

Thank you all so much xxxxxxxxxxx

ImmigrationLawyer · Post by **ImmigrationLawyer** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:22 pm

I think the OP should seek specialist advice. I don't think applying for a tourist visa is the best way to go.

Trinx · Post by **Trinx** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:13 pm

what other way to go is there? He only coming for a visit.. nothing more

ImmigrationLawyer · Post by **ImmigrationLawyer** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:46 pm

Not to get married? Sorry maybe I misinterpreted your original post.

Trinx · Post by **Trinx** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:11 pm

No no tourist visa for now.. He will visit.. We want to get married in the future and i was asking what happens in that case..
but for now its just visits..

Im sorry i confused u

fatty patty · Post by **fatty patty** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:50 am

Egyptians do require visa to visit Ireland. For your partner to get entry into Ireland he needs to get visitors visa first....to get visitors visa he has to apply in the Irish Embassy Cairo.

To be issued with a visitors visa he has to prove to the visa councilor at the Embassy that he is not going to become burden on the Irish state and most importantly will go back to Egypt. It will be issued to him for 3 months initially and once he gets a history of coming and going it can be for longer terms and also on multiple basis.

Most common and important documentation required for visitors visa is applicant's finances (bank statements) and his/her ties to their home country (that he will return job payslips/university letter if student /family ties land property etc). Also sponsor's letter from Ireland stating that they are going to visit for holiday purposes and will return to their home country.

If you like to get him a longer term visa (spousal visa) then marriage is the only option but that is not a sure fire guarantee (de facto long term relationship is very hard to prove), a relationship sequence has to be developed/shown for the liking of the decision makers for e.g. time spent together, relationship history photos, phone bills etc. Also bear in mind that if your partner do start visiting Ireland this is very strong evidence and will be counted towards de facto relationship visa or marriage visa to show its not relationship of convenience.

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Fa ... sh_Citizen

ImmigrationLawyer · Post by **ImmigrationLawyer** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:58 am

Good advice, fattypatty. Also bear in mind = for a spousal visa the proof of relationship history must PRE DATE the marriage.

Trinx · Post by **Trinx** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:16 am

Hi all his tourist visa got refused at the cairo embassy.

He provided Bank statements of two accounts one with about 3500 euro and the other with 3000 US dollars

Hotel booking

Flight booking

Travel Insurance

Old passport with visa to qatar (work visa after which he returned)

Letter from his company

Wage slips with translations of these.

Letter from me

Cover letter from himself

Copy of my passport and visa stamps

Copy of his deeds to an appartment he owns with translation (the lady in office said he could translate himself)

He was refused on the following

Finances
no clear link to reference
wont observe conditions of visa
no ties to home country
will be a burden on public resourses
will be a burden on public funds

He is an avionics engineer with an excellent salary. earns more than the average egyptian. (he is egyptian)
I have no job at the moment (was made redundant) so i cant support him and my bank statements wont help him. i dont need to as he wont be staying in my home. He is muslim man and it is against religious rules to stay in the home of a woman he is not married to. The lady at the counter refused to take the photographs when he first presented his documents. How can i show a clear link with me? We told the total truth in our application. We met online originally but then met in June in person. Can you give me some advice and what we can provide more to challange the reasons for refusal.. we wont give up on this.. Pls help How much should he have in his bank account?? I am wondering how to show a clear link to him. Is this impossible? He was only coming for a period of ten days.. Is 5000 euro not enough to finance this???? when he originally went to the embassy he was told his papers would go to Abu Dhabi to be processed. he was given the email and number of there to follow it up. But he checked and his papers never went there at all . I feel there is something amiss. He has a link to his home..an excellent job and owns an appartment.. i really dont understand this thinking.. he was genuinely only coming for a visit

we are both so gutted. I felt in the airport when i left him in june that it would be the last time i would see him

im so unhappy.

ImmigrationLawyer · Post by **ImmigrationLawyer** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:24 am

Again, I recommend you get legal advice. It is no surprise a tourist visa was refused in the circumstances - there is too much of a likelihood (in the eyes of the Irish state) he would overstay. Marriage is probably your only option or living together for a lengthy period first (and applying as a de facto couple).

Trinx · Post by **Trinx** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:43 am

There are people who got tourist visas before. i just want to know what else i can prove to establish a clear link. He wants to visit, not marry me. and other ways to prove that he has links to home and reason to return

Trinx · Post by **Trinx** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:44 am

How much is the normal fee for providing advice in these cases..

ImmigrationLawyer · Post by **ImmigrationLawyer** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:51 am

Probably â‚¬100 or â‚¬150 for the first appointment, you should shop around. The problem is that once they know someone is in a relationship with a person resident in Ireland, they know the risk of them getting married and/ or overstaying is susbtantial.

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