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allowed to work or not???

Post by star786 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:57 am

Hi everyone...

I'm the non-EEA family member of an EEA national and have a residence card which expired on 27th October 2011. I made an EEA4 application and got my application back on 2nd November stating the supporting evidence is insufficient. I have been sent home from work due to having no visa. I would like to know whether I have a right to work till I sort out evidence or do I have to wait till I have got everything ready and wait for COS in order to continuing working.....


Thank you in advance....[/quote]

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Post by John » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:53 am

Assuming your EEA family member is clearly exercising Treaty Rights in the UK, yes you do have the right to work, but it is a question of proving it.

I suggest, as a matter of urgency, that the employer phones the UKBA helpline, as mentioned on this webpage.

As regards the EEA4 application, what evidence did they say was missing? Something about your EEA family member exercising Treaty Rights in the UK?
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Post by star786 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:13 pm

thanks for your reply john,

My dad ( EEA-National) has been employed from Feb 2006 to November 2008 and became self-employed in November 2008,

Proof of employment we sent: P60's, P45 which was sufficient
Proof of self-employment: letter from HMRC to show registration as self-employment from November 08, Letter from accountant and latest bank statement.

In the letter HO said that they need further evidence to cover November 2008 to present.

I myself, have been a student from September 2006 to June 2009 and as a proof if this I sent letter from University from first year only,

I claimed benefit (JSA) from Jan 2010 to November 2010 when I found work and have been in work since then. As proof of this I sent letter from my employer, my latest payslip and my bank statement. Further evidence that i sent was hospital letters.

HO requires further proof of residency for 5 years for myself as well..

Does the fact that I have claimed benefit for 11 months any impact on my PR?
I applied for student finance to cover the cost of my degree. Does this have any impact on getting PR?
Also, what evidence could i produce to show my residency during the period i finished my degree to the time I got a job.

Would greatly appreciate your help...

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Post by star786 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:16 pm

PS: A friend of my dad is in a similar situation and has provided exactly the same Evidence and got his PR within one month. On his advice we provided ours and got the whole application back

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Post by Obie » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:46 pm

In order to be able to answer your question, i need you to answer the following questions:

Are you still in employment or studying?

Are you still living in the same address as your dad or living an independent life?

If you are over 21, are you able to provide evidence that you are dependent on your dad.

During the time of the benefit claim, where you dependent on your dad or under 21 years of age?

Did they reject your application or request you provide more supporting evidence?
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Post by star786 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:00 pm

Obie wrote:In order to be able to answer your question, i need you to answer the following questions:

Are you still in employment or studying? In Employment

Are you still living in the same address as your dad or living an independent life? Same Address

If you are over 21, are you able to provide evidence that you are dependent on your dad. We live as part of the same family..Does the fact that I work mean that I am not dependent on him?

During the time of the benefit claim, where you dependent on your dad or under 21 years of age? Over 21, and claiming benefit and living as part of the household

Did they reject your application or request you provide more supporting evidence?
The HO wrote ''The purpose in returning the documents is to enable you to assemble a complete dossier of supporting evidence and to submit this with a fresh application when you are in a position to do so''

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Post by star786 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:23 pm

Waiting for your replies........and it makes me even more nervous....

Do I have any chance of getting PR?..

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:03 pm

Obie wrote:In order to be able to answer your question, i need you to answer the following questions:

Are you still in employment or studying?

Are you still living in the same address as your dad or living an independent life?

If you are over 21, are you able to provide evidence that you are dependent on your dad.

During the time of the benefit claim, where you dependent on your dad or under 21 years of age?

Did they reject your application or request you provide more supporting evidence?
Did you see these questions from Obie?

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Post by star786 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:23 pm

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:
Obie wrote:In order to be able to answer your question, i need you to answer the following questions:

Are you still in employment or studying?

Are you still living in the same address as your dad or living an independent life?

If you are over 21, are you able to provide evidence that you are dependent on your dad.

During the time of the benefit claim, where you dependent on your dad or under 21 years of age?

Did they reject your application or request you provide more supporting evidence?
Did you see these questions from Obie?



Thank you very much for replying.....

Yes I saw the questions and have answered them in bold and here are the answers again:

I am currently employed, but employer needs to see COA before I can continue working.
I am living at the same address as my dad.
I am living with him as part of the same household. Does the fact that I am working now mean that I am not dependent on him?
When I claimed JSA I was over 21 and lived as the same household as my dad.
They rejected my application completely and I have to make a new application with supporting evidence when I am in a position to do so.

Any responses would be welcome...

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Post by Obie » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:27 pm

He seem to have answered them, but when i first saw it, i thought it was a citation of my prevuous question as opposed to the answers to them.

Well, i believe you are allowed to work, have you got evidence of you fathers activities in 2008 as requested. Have you got a bank statement for your period of residence? What about voters registeration.

Reason for not replying sooner is not an indication of the merit of you application, but rather my busy schedules, which meant i could not come online.
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Post by star786 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:05 pm

thanks obie,

I do have evidence that shows he is excersising treaty rights..

I have my bank statements for the last 5 years, but will the fact that I have been receiving JSA for 11 months have any negative effect on my PR?

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Post by Obie » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:55 am

According to the law and caselaws , it should not affect you, provided you dad is a migrant worker or a Self Employed person, and you can show you are dependent on him.

However i have seen cases were inexperienced caseworker have acted in ways that could be considered contrary to the law.

I think you should be fine.
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Post by star786 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:01 am

Thanks Obie,

I can only hope for an experienced caseworker to be allocated my case...

but if I am not able to provide evidence of my dependency on my dad, will i be able to apply for PR on my own as I have been living legally for 5 years here? Or will that not come under European Law but UK law?

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lost my job today as a European dependant

Post by John2 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:38 pm

Guys just needing urgent advice.
I was married to Dutch national for 7 years, we in the process of divorce, we both excercised treaty rights. I obtained a 5yrs RC which expired on 29th Nov 2011. i submitted my application via a solicitor on 10th Nove with all the necessary documents except with a decree nisi, awaiting obsolute after 15th Dec. HO sent me a letter on 29th nov, which they have told me on the phone, not yet recieved the letter, which i understand invalidate my application. i am assuming due to not providing the decree absolute.

my employer told me on friday that they had enquired and recieved a letter from employment help line stating that i am not entitled to work, hence they have terminated my contract, henceforth. my employer have insisted they will go by this letter.

I have rang HO (call centre) who have said I am entitled to work, but they cannot send me a COA.

I got a mortagage and a 3 months old/wife off work, all needing support.

Just wondering whether anyone can advice on the way forward or know a good solicitor that can assist?
Should i be considering a judicial review on the employment line decision?

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Re: lost my job today as a European dependant

Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:42 pm

John2 wrote:I was married to Dutch national for 7 years, we in the process of divorce, we both excercised treaty rights. I obtained a 5yrs RC which expired on 29th Nov 2011. i submitted my application via a solicitor on 10th Nove with all the necessary documents except with a decree nisi, awaiting obsolute after 15th Dec. HO sent me a letter on 29th nov, which they have told me on the phone, not yet recieved the letter, which i understand invalidate my application. i am assuming due to not providing the decree absolute.

my employer told me on friday that they had enquired and recieved a letter from employment help line stating that i am not entitled to work, hence they have terminated my contract, henceforth. my employer have insisted they will go by this letter.

I have rang HO (call centre) who have said I am entitled to work, but they cannot send me a COA.

I got a mortagage and a 3 months old/wife off work, all needing support.

Just wondering whether anyone can advice on the way forward or know a good solicitor that can assist?
Should i be considering a judicial review on the employment line decision?
You should ask for a copy of the letter that your employer has received.

Note that the only person whose work counts for "exercising treaty rights" is the EU citizen.

You say you submitted your application through a solicitor. What does he/she say? Why are you looking for a new solicitor?

Note that your 5 years of continuous residence would have started before the issue date of the residence Card. It was likely 6 to 9 months before then, and often on the date you arrived in the UK (assuming your EU spouse started working in the first three months).

Your divorce should not generally be relevant since it is not over. When did you start divorce proceedings?

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Post by John2 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:58 pm

I did ask the employment agency for the letter which they declined to provide stating that it is marked for their attention only.

I spoke to my solicitor yesterday who confirmed that the HO had requested I submit the decree absolute, which was outstanding and the six weeks are due on 16th Dec. my solicitor told me there is nothing we can do but wait for the obsolute certificate, so thought getting opinion from another solicitor might help.


Note that your 5 years of continuous residence would have started before the issue date of the residence Card. It was likely 6 to 9 months before then, and often on the date you arrived in the UK (assuming your EU spouse started working in the first three months).

I was not that my residence would have started prior to the issue of the RC. and yes my wife was already working.

the divorce started mid this year.

The problem i got now is that i am out of work based on the letter from employer helpline to my employment agency.

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:35 pm

You can request comensation from UKBA if they have messed up. I think it would be quite reasonable to request that they pay your salary and any associated costs if they told an employer that you could not work when in fact you could work.

Gather as much evidence as possible, as well as detailed documentation of any missed income.

Can you lay out a timeline of your history with the Eu person and when you came to the UK. I am a little unclear based on what you said.

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Post by John2 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:14 pm

I would definately want to pursue the matter as I have lost considerably in terms of being a highly skilled worker, repetition at work, having a small baby and bills to pay. i have written to the agency asking they provide the letter sent by the HO as i need to review both their decisions.

my history is as follows;
came to UK 96, was a student through to 2004 when I married EU member. I applied for RC in 2006 which was granted to Nov 2011. We both have worked throughout the entire period which i provided HO with employment history from HMRC. Relationship broke down Jan 2011-both at fault, but we unsuccessfully tried reconciliation. divorce proceedings commenced October, decree nisi granted 1st Nov and we waiting for decree absolute on 15th Dec.

I sent my application via a solicitor on 10th Nov, to which I understand from my solicitor HO wrote on 29th asking for a copy of decree absolute. i am assuming the employment helpline may have based their decision on this request, in telling my employment agency that I am not entitled to work.

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:45 pm

John2 wrote:(important) I married EU member (residing in UK) in 2004.
(not imporant)I applied for RC in 2006 which was granted to Nov 2011.
(important)We both have worked throughout the entire period which i provided HO with employment history from HMRC.
(not important) Relationship broke down Jan 2011
So you got PR 5 years after getting married in 2004. So you got it in 2009. You do not apply for confirmation of the PR until this year.

Can you look over your EEA4 application form: did you fill out Section 4 or leave it blank?

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Post by John2 » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:28 am

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:
John2 wrote:(important) I married EU member (residing in UK) in 2004.
(not imporant)I applied for RC in 2006 which was granted to Nov 2011.
(important)We both have worked throughout the entire period which i provided HO with employment history from HMRC.
(not important) Relationship broke down Jan 2011
So you got PR 5 years after getting married in 2004. So you got it in 2009. You do not apply for confirmation of the PR until this year.

Can you look over your EEA4 application form: did you fill out Section 4 or leave it blank?
I applied for PR following the expiration of my RC in Nov 2011, i don't think I would have done so in 2009.
my solicitor did the EEA4 application for me but i will ask whether he completed s4 too.

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:39 am

You might ask him for a photocopy of the application (which you would have signed).

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