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jimsefton · Post by **jimsefton** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:56 pm

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Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:06 pm

So she lives in Madeira illegally?

Did u live with her there? Do u have proof of this?

jimsefton · Post by **jimsefton** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:22 pm

Wanderer wrote:So she lives in Madeira illegally?

Did u live with her there? Do u have proof of this?

No, she used to be married to a guy who has a portuguese passport but never applied for one herself. I have not been living there, I live in the UK. She has a document from the Potruguese home office that gives her rights to live in portugal, just not a passport. She has her own shop in Madeira.

Sorry if I was a little lague, if you have more questions I would be happy to answer them.

Thanks,

Jim

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:31 pm

I think ur options are:

1. Go live with her in Madeira. Exercise ur treaty rights and apply for EEA family permit after proving u have a durable relationship - living together for two years is probably the requiremnt.

2. She goes back to Russia and applies for a fiancee visa to join u in UK. Might be difficult since her Russian Travelling Passport will have prolly expired....

3. If she's lived in Portugal for 15 years she must be intitled to some concession for PR - I think u'll need a Portuguese or EU lawyer to untangle that.

4. U've not had a relationship akin to marriage so forget the Unmarried Partners Visa.

Wait for others tho - I know the Russian aspects better than EU!

Udachi, davai poka!

jimsefton · Post by **jimsefton** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:39 pm

Wanderer wrote:I think ur options are:

1. Go live with her in Madeira. Exercise ur treaty rights and apply for EEA family permit after proving u have a durable relationship - living together for two years is probably the requiremnt.

2. She goes back to Russia and applies for a fiancee visa to join u in UK. Might be difficult since her Russian Travelling Passport will have prolly expired....

3. If she's lived in Portugal for 15 years she must be intitled to some concession for PR - I think u'll need a Portuguese or EU lawyer to untangle that.

4. U've not had a relationship akin to marriage so forget the Unmarried Partners Visa.

Wait for others tho - I know the Russian aspects better than EU!

Udachi, davai poka!

Thanks for the rapid reply

I have a very good job in the UK and while she has a shop that makes a profit it would not really be viable for her to support us with that. I have looked into working over there but the chances are slim, it's a small tourist island and I also dont speak Portuguese.

As I understand it the fiancee visa means she can come here for 6 months but can't work until we are married (within 6 months). This is not really ideal, as neither of us want to get married just for visa reasons.

My initial reaction is to see if we can fast track the portuguese passport application (currently in place) and see where we stand then. What's the situation for an EU person wanting to relocate to the UK?

Thanks again (spasiba) for your help!

flyboy · Post by **flyboy** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:46 pm

If you girlfriend has held a residence permit in portugal for the last 10 years she's entitled to apply for Portuguese citizenship. Have a look at the following link:

http://www.portugal-info.net/info/general.htm

Armed with a portuguese passport she has the right to live and work in the UK / EU without hindrance.

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:46 pm

You can marry her there or in a third country and then apply for Spouse visa on which she can work immediately.

Her status in portugal might preclude marriage there tho but there are other countries!

And that's 'Spacibo' with an 'o' - albiet unstressed and pronounced as an 'a'!

Ste, Russian Grammar and transliteration Police......

jimsefton · Post by **jimsefton** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:49 pm

Wanderer wrote:You can marry her there or in a third country and then apply for Spouse visa on which she can work immediately.

Her status in portugal might preclude marriage there tho but there are other countries!

And that's 'Spacibo' with an 'o' - albiet unstressed and pronounced as an 'a'!

Ste, Russian Grammar and transliteration Police......

hehe, thanks for the correction... I actually knew that already, was just a rookie mistake

I would like to avoid immediate marriage if possible... eventually, yes, for sure, but not for a couple of years I'd think

jimsefton · Post by **jimsefton** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:51 pm

flyboy wrote:If you girlfriend has held a residence permit in portugal for the last 10 years she's entitled to apply for Portuguese citizenship. Have a look at the following link:

http://www.portugal-info.net/info/general.htm

Armed with a portuguese passport she has the right to live and work in the UK / EU without hindrance.

Very interesting... I know she has applied for a passport, so I guess we'll see what comes of that... I think things move a lot slower out there.

I didn't realise the EU was quite so "open" to it's members... learn something new eery day, eh?

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:54 pm

jimsefton wrote:
Wanderer wrote:You can marry her there or in a third country and then apply for Spouse visa on which she can work immediately.

Her status in portugal might preclude marriage there tho but there are other countries!

And that's 'Spacibo' with an 'o' - albiet unstressed and pronounced as an 'a'!

Ste, Russian Grammar and transliteration Police......
hehe, thanks for the correction... I actually knew that already, was just a rookie mistake :?

I would like to avoid immediate marriage if possible... eventually, yes, for sure, but not for a couple of years I'd think

Theres the student visa option too - u sponsor her studies here at a UK uni, live together, then UPV.

That's what we did (well, doing - 18 months in!). Expensive tho

jimsefton · Post by **jimsefton** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:38 pm

I have spoken to her about the Portuguese passport option and she says it takes 3 years to get one once you have applied?? Does this sound right???

Cheers,

J

flyboy · Post by **flyboy** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:38 pm

Have a look at the following link and click on "Obtaining PEP". It mentions that it takes 6 days for passports to get issued.

http://www.pep.pt/ingles/

Has your gf already gone through the naturalisation process? Perhaps she's confusing the naturalisation process time frame with the passport issuing time.

Well if it really takes 3 years for a passport to get issued, your gf could opt to obtain a portuguese ID card(perhaps it gets issued quicker than a passport) ; she could use that instead of the passport and she can always apply for the passport at a later date. Passport will mostly be beneficial for trips abroad outside of Europe, whereas the ID card will suffice within the EU.

Marco 72 · Post by **Marco 72** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:48 pm

jimsefton wrote:No, she used to be married to a guy who has a portuguese passport but never applied for one herself.

Do you mean to say that she never applied for naturalisation as a Portuguese citizen, or that she is a Portuguese citizen but never applied for a Portuguese passport?

jimsefton · Post by **jimsefton** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:47 am

Marco 72 wrote:
jimsefton wrote:No, she used to be married to a guy who has a portuguese passport but never applied for one herself.
Do you mean to say that she never applied for naturalisation as a Portuguese citizen, or that she is a Portuguese citizen but never applied for a Portuguese passport?

Correct, she has never applied for naturalisation. She submitted all the papers late last year but she tells me the whole process takes 3 years.

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