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Did the refusal letter give examples of the sort of documents the UKBA would like to see in favour of your spouse's (self)employment? Did you originally provide any of the ffg?: P60s/P45s, payslips, employers'/accountant's letters, (business) bank statements or HMRC self assessment statements?Shawshank wrote: Unfortunately it turns out they refused my application (with right to appeal) on the grounds that we did not give enough documentation regarding my unmarried partners treaty rights.
I see no problem with this provided you can confidently represent yourself fully backed with knowledge of the relevant sections of the EU Directive and sufficient documentary evidence to refute the UKBA's refusal.Shawshank wrote:Now in regards to the appeal I am thinking in my case it is a simple handover of missing tax documents to the court within the appeal, so am aiming to represent myself without a solicitor.
I don't know if I'm happy to read this or mad for you to get my hopes upJbee 1976 wrote:Hi , I just wanted to share my experience.
Myself ( Irish) and my unmarried partner ( South African ) applied for our PR and have received everything back in the super fast time of 6 weeks and 4 days. Timeline below
EEA3 & EE4 Applications sent : 13.03.2013
EEA3 & EEA4 Applications received : 14.03.2013
COA Received : 03.04.2013
COA Letter Date :01.04.2013
1st Email to LiverpoolEuro.PassportReturns@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk for request of passport return for business travel 02.04.2013
2nd Email to RODRequests@UKBA.gsi.gov.uk for request of passport return for business travel 29.04.2013
Conformation e mail that passports have been returned by recorded delivery 30.04.2013
Collected Passports at the Post office with all original documents and PR 01.05.2013
I was really surprised at the fast turnaround as i was expecting to wait at least 3 months after ready other comments on this forum.
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Assuming your were married and living in the UK for 5 years, then you can apply for PR Confirmation using form EEA4 even if you were on a different visa for part of the time. Check the application form for required documents but a marriage certificate is enough to prove relationship and there are several ways to prove residency (P60s, tenancy agreements, utility bills etc). You don't need to prove you have been living together just that you were living in the UK.Tyro wrote:Hi All,
Please help me with your expert advise on following situation.
My wife EU National and have received her PR recently. We have been married since 2007 October. But I was on HSMP work permit visa and didn't get EEA2 residence card until November 2009. I have EEA FAMILY MEMBER RESIDENCE CARD till November 2014. I am just wondering if I can apply for EEA4 now, as I have been married for more than five years to EU national and she has received her PR already.
And if I can apply, what documents will be sufficient to prove relationship and proof of living together for 5 years.
Many Thanks to you all
Jambo wrote:.
Assuming your were married and living in the UK for 5 years, then you can apply for PR Confirmation using form EEA4 even if you were on a different visa for part of the time. Check the application form for required documents but a marriage certificate is enough to prove relationship and there are several ways to prove residency (P60s, tenancy agreements, utility bills etc). You don't need to prove you have been living together just that you were living in the UK.
Many Thanks
I'm not a big fan of bank statements. I don't see any added value submitting them if you already submit P60s and council tax bills as proof of residence.Tyro wrote:Jambo wrote:.
Assuming your were married and living in the UK for 5 years, then you can apply for PR Confirmation using form EEA4 even if you were on a different visa for part of the time. Check the application form for required documents but a marriage certificate is enough to prove relationship and there are several ways to prove residency (P60s, tenancy agreements, utility bills etc). You don't need to prove you have been living together just that you were living in the UK.
Many Thanks
Thanks for quick reply, I assume that I only have to provide my five years residence in Uk. I have five years P60 and council tax bills. Will that be enough. And I don't have to provide any work related or utility bill for my wife as she has already got he PR. I will send her original passport, Pr and our marriage certificate.
Shall I also include our joint account bank statements, plus some of my statements.
Thanks, just to have opinion, I am sending following document with my EEA4 ApplicationJambo wrote:Tyro wrote:I'm not a big fan of bank statements. I don't see any added value submitting them if you already submit P60s and council tax bills as proof of residence.Jambo wrote: Shall I also include our joint account bank statements, plus some of my statements.
Documents list looks fine. If you wish you can add a cover letter just saying you are applying for confirmation of your PR status as you have completed 5 years of residence in accordance with the EEA Regulations. You don't need to explain why you apply before the RC expires. You can also add that you provide your wife's PR card as proof of her status and that as proof of residence you provide P60s ad council tax bills.Tyro wrote:Jambo wrote:Thanks, just to have opinion, I am sending following document with my EEA4 ApplicationTyro wrote:I'm not a big fan of bank statements. I don't see any added value submitting them if you already submit P60s and council tax bills as proof of residence.Jambo wrote: Shall I also include our joint account bank statements, plus some of my statements.
Original Passport of me+ my wife (EU) + Her PR document + Marriage Certificate
5 years of council tax ( both mine and my wife's name is there)
5 Years of P60 of me
2 passport size photos+ Duly filled form
Is including a covering letter good idea, explaining why I am applying before I have completed five years on EEA2 Stamp???
Also shall I include some of my latest bank statement/ or as Jambo said no need to statements..
Please advise... Jambo please comment on above list.
Thanks
Unlike applications under the immigration rules and naturalisation applications (which the MP is more likely to be familiar with), the legislation in the EEA regulations is very clear. The HO must issue the PR Confirmation within 6 months. See Regulation 18(2).amigovio wrote:Hi All,
Just to say a big thanks to @Shawshank, it's nice to see people willing to help others in our quest for PR.
Well, just updating... I didn't wait until the end of the week for them to reply my letter. They didn't so far and it's highly likely that they won't (99.9% sure). So I emailed my MP and on the same day someone from my MP's office got back to me just to say the following:
"... Home Office today advise me your case has been passed to the caseworking unit in Liverpool who will go on to deal with your case but that they are unable to give an indication of when it will be passed to a caseworker and ultimately resolved. I appreciate that the Home Office provide the 6 month guideline for resolving applications but I am afraid it is not uncommon for them to take longer than this. Should there be circumstances requiring the urgent return of your documents we would be happy to try and facilitate this..."
First thought: what kind of joke is this?! gotta wait two extra months!
I didn't see that one coming so I'm planning to email them again. Can anyone tell me if it is actually a binding rule that an outcome is reached within 6 months or just a "guideline", before I email them back.
Thanks!
You are correct. PR confirmation is not mandatory for naturalisation if sufficient evidence exists to prove that it has been attained and maintained. My naturalisation application was successful without a PR document and I submitted my P60s and payslips spanning 5 years to prove my settled status.Sb11 wrote: My situation is that my Residence Document was delayed by eight months during processing. And, I sent my application to HO about 4 months later than I should have due to job search. So, the actual five years accounted for in the passport began 12 months later (HO processing delay + job search delay).
That gives me an advantage of having the residence status confirmed in my passport for another year, at the end of which I wish to directly apply for naturalisation. Doing this will cut down the application processing delays which most members have been facing.
So, I am seeking advice of anyone who had done this similarly before. I only wish that British naturalisation department will be able to understand my situation which I will of course back up with plenty of documental proof.
I suggest you check the British Citizenship section of the forum.Sb11 wrote:Hi all,
I am wondering if I really need to apply for PR to be confirmed in my passport?
Apparently, direct family members do not need to apply for confirmation but not having it confirmed in passports makes changing jobs and travelling out, and then back in, more difficult.
My situation is that my Residence Document was delayed by eight months during processing. And, I sent my application to HO about 4 months later than I should have due to job search. So, the actual five years accounted for in the passport began 12 months later (HO processing delay + job search delay).
That gives me an advantage of having the residence status confirmed in my passport for another year, at the end of which I wish to directly apply for naturalisation. Doing this will cut down the application processing delays which most members have been facing.
So, I am seeking advice of anyone who had done this similarly before. I only wish that British naturalisation department will be able to understand my situation which I will of course back up with plenty of documental proof.
I have read through some documents and the text right on the top of page two of EEA4 form is quoted below, which means that I do not need to do this.
"There is no legal requirement for non-EEA or non-Swiss national direct family members of EEA or Swiss nationals who are exercising Treaty rights in the UK to obtain a permanent residence card to confirm their right of residence in the UK. Any such non-EEA or non-Swiss national applying for a permanent residence card does so on an entirely voluntary basis"
Thank you in advance.
Plum70 wrote:You are correct. PR confirmation is not mandatory for naturalisation if sufficient evidence exists to prove that it has been attained and maintained. My naturalisation application was successful without a PR document and I submitted my P60s and payslips spanning 5 years to prove my settled status.Sb11 wrote: My situation is that my Residence Document was delayed by eight months during processing. And, I sent my application to HO about 4 months later than I should have due to job search. So, the actual five years accounted for in the passport began 12 months later (HO processing delay + job search delay).
That gives me an advantage of having the residence status confirmed in my passport for another year, at the end of which I wish to directly apply for naturalisation. Doing this will cut down the application processing delays which most members have been facing.
So, I am seeking advice of anyone who had done this similarly before. I only wish that British naturalisation department will be able to understand my situation which I will of course back up with plenty of documental proof.
slovakia dose not allows dual citizens but they havent send any thing back so i am worry it they going to refused. wich i have to go back home and start from the start under uk law thast what a solicitor told me i dont know if is tru or notPlum70 wrote:It looks like Slovakia allows its citizens acquire dual citizenship so I do not think that you have lost your right to PR under EU law. In which case you can apply to naturalise now having automatically acquired PR and being the spouse of a dual British/Slovakian citizen OR wait till you have PR confirmation.admir wrote:my wife is slovakian but now she is british.
got married 6 1/2 years ago so i should've applied 1 year and half ago
she became british citizen 8 months ago
See what the UKBA's decision is and take it from there.
Wait to receive the UKBA's decision and then proceed from there.admir wrote: slovakia dose not allows dual citizens but they havent send any thing back so i am worry it they going to refused. wich i have to go back home and start from the start under uk law thast what a solicitor told me i dont know if is tru or not