Proof the Schengen countries are dearly beloved

[Fairtrade]

Proof Schengen Countries are dearly beloved

The New York times website: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A964948260

From the New York Times 1982, October 2

"South Africans will need a visa to enter the Netherlands from Jan.
1, the Foreign Ministry said today, indicating Dutch opposition to the
policy of "apartheid".

The move ends a visa agreement between the Netherlands and South
Africa made 30 years ago. Under the accord, visas were abolished for
South Africans visiting the Netherlands for up to three months. Visas
were issued free of charge to Dutch citizens visiting South Africa"


Now that Apartheid is gone why
is there NOW no visa free travel for South Africans??


Has it maybe got to do that now there are 37 million Africans living
in South Africa and in the 1960s ,70s and beginning of the 80s the
Dutch welcomed white South Africans visa free because they are white?

Well to me it is so obviously beloved, because why would they (the Netherlands, schengen country now) allow white South Africa to travel to The Netherlands visa free for over 30 years and now stop it just before Apartheid ended....?

They were more than willing to allow white South Africans in during the majority of the Aparteid period. And they use (what I call) the "excuse" of not allowing south africans visa free because of Apartheid when they knowingly knew Apartheid was comming to an end.
It is so obvious the Schengen countries do not want Africans or black people in their countries they (the Schengen countries) are willing to hide it so well,

so much so that when questioned about not allowing ANY majority black country visa free travel in the schengen countries, they only NOW suddenly changed their rules to allow small insignificant so called majority black Islands visa free travel (like Bermuda, Barbados, Mauritius ect) These countries populations are so small the Schengen countries are using them as a smoke screen so people can't say the schengen states are dearly beloved. so they are so clever they cover their own backsides!!

Britain remains right in not joining the dearly beloved schengen countries because at least Britain, Switzerland Ireland ect still allow south africans who would like to travel their country visa free.

You might say it is only because of historical ties, where I will say South Africa was not just a british colony but also a Dutch colony.

My question still remains why would Holland allow white south africans to travel to the Netherlands during the majority of Apartheid visa free?

I think the schengen countries make it clear, no Blacks thank you!

[petkanov]

The reason is that those 37 million are very poor and are likely to abuse the immigration system, work illigaly, etc. Thats the only reason. If this will make you feel better, Bulgaria and Romania couldn't travel for a long period to the EU and visas were nightmare to obtain. Only in 2001 visas were waived, and only in 2007 visas were waived for the UK. Bulgaria and Romania are white and european, but still couldn't travel- the reason: they were very likely to abuse the immigration systems at the time.

[Dawie]

Yes, but Bulgaria and Romania are right on the doorstep of the EU.

South Africa is a million miles away with no threat of refugees or asylum seekers.

[petkanov]

it is true that impact of us being closer was bigger due to cheap travel. There is another reason I think the NY article is wrong. I don't think they are rasist. They are not politicaly correct, and don't have to be, because schengen europe didn't colonize the same way the british did. They don't have large black immigration like britain, and they are not politically correct. I read somewhere that even the UK was considering introducing visas for SA if situation doesn't improve. Personally I am against all visas, but am realist and dont think situation will get better. BG and Ro aare now in the EU and even if they wanted it they couldn't have visas for us.

[Fairtrade]

It is so strange, just look at the French elections, there is a chance that a right wing goverment might come into power. Some of these people were the same ones shouting free mandela in the early 80s, yet they don't want any more black people in their country now. The same with the Canary islands, now Europe is erecting huge fences on the Spanish borders. What happend to liberal Europe?

Today South Africa is so liberal, freedom for all, gay marriage ect, maybe it is time Europe look towards South Africa, because the world is on the move and no fence or visas are going to keep people out of europe, it is a fact, the poorer countries wil alwas try to immigrate to the richer countries, being dearly beloved and building fences around you is not going to help unfortunatly, it is time the world needs to rethink its trading policies with Africa and other 3 world countries.

[Fairtrade]

Petkanov "europe didn't colonize the same way the british did"

I don't know where you get your history from But France nearly colonized a third of Africa, parts of America, carribean islands and Asian countires, Spain colonized most of the Americas including latin America, Portugal parts of Africa and latin America think of Brazil, the Netherlands colonized Indonisia, part of India, South Africa, what about the dutch antilles, Germany, East Africa, South west Africa (namibia today) and the list goes on and on, the whole of europe colonized even Belgium colonized the Congo.......

All of them are Schengen countries now, it is not just Britain who colonize (the schengen countries played their part too, no two ways about that but they are the most strict when it comes to applying for a schengen visas not like the British that still allows some of its former colonies to travel visa free.

[John]

Yes, but Bulgaria and Romania are right on the doorstep of the EU.

No they are not ... they are in the EU ... albeit it currently subject to transitional provisions .... similar to those applied when the UK first joined the EU (or rather EEC as it was called at the time).

[Dawie]

Of course they are, but I mean in an historical context pre-accession.

[joesoap101]

South Africa should start charging 60 euro to the hundred thousands europeans travelling there every year and say that it will be used to alleviate poverty amongst the black population (and then remind them that this is the same black population they conveniently forgot about after the end of apartheid).

Its about time reciprocity is implemented. And I dont believe it will be bad for tourism, after all most tourists come from the rest of Africa!

[Fairtrade]

The EU puts heavy tariffs and taxes on agricultural goods produced outside the EU. That means that trade is restricted, leaving farmers outside the EU no access to European markets.

This is one of the reasons BSE spread in Britain - it was cheaper for fodder manufacturers to feed their cattle on sheep brains rather than cheap, imported soya after imposing penal taxes

Schengen seeks to restrict and control the movement of people within the internal borders of the EU and close external borders tighter against refugees and people from the developing world. Within the agreement, there are provisions for Pass Laws akin to those operated in Apartheid South Africa.