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For people in SWEDEN, MALMO, I am pregnant with no rights!

Post by Salsita » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:22 pm

Hello everyone,

I have applied for an EEA residency permit to live in Sweden with my husband. Now I am in Sweden with a valid schengen visa, and I just got pregnant. I don't have the right to see any doctors and I don't know how to find a doctor to have an ultrasound and get the documents to prove that I am pregnant and submit it to the migration board in Malmo to accelerate the procedure.

I have been waiting for nine months with no decision taken, please help me find a clinic or a doctor to open a pregnancy file in the city of Malmo, sweden.

I am so desperate.. :(

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Post by Obie » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:12 pm

I believe this topic should be transferred to the European Immigration section, where better advice could be given.

It is arguable that Sweden might be in breach of community Law, if they are refusing health care to which you are entitled.
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Post by Salsita » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:29 am

Obie wrote:I believe this topic should be transferred to the European Immigration section, where better advice could be given.

It is arguable that Sweden might be in breach of community Law, if they are refusing health care to which you are entitled.

thank you Obie for your useful information.. it's been more helpful than the ones I get from the Swedish people here

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:37 am

Salsita,

How does health care normally work in Sweden? How is your husband insured?

You need to start complaining loudly!

First of all, your Residence Card application can not take longer than 6 months to process. That is the legal maximum. It does not matter if you are pregnant. Maxium is still 6 months.

Second, you are already fully legally resident in Sweden. The Residence Card is merely a confirmation of your existing right to stay, and a way to prove it to others.

If a Swedish citizen can have state funded health care, then so can you. End of story. It is in fact illegal you or your husband to be given different service than that given to Swedish citizens.
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Post by alton » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:03 am

Nice post. I like it. Thanks for sharing these information.

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Post by Salsita » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:58 am

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:Salsita,

How does health care normally work in Sweden? How is your husband insured?

You need to start complaining loudly!

First of all, your Residence Card application can not take longer than 6 months to process. That is the legal maximum. It does not matter if you are pregnant. Maxium is still 6 months.

Second, you are already fully legally resident in Sweden. The Residence Card is merely a confirmation of your existing right to stay, and a way to prove it to others.

If a Swedish citizen can have state funded health care, then so can you. End of story. It is in fact illegal you or your husband to be given different service than that given to Swedish citizens.
Hi,

after calling all possible private health centers and hospitals in the city using the yellow pages, i found a number 1177 which gives medical assisstance and it gave me an address for a community family house where i can meet a midwife, From there my danish husband started the battle to get me a medical insurance coverage to be able to have a follow up on my pregnancy.. They make things hard for him and they never give straightforward answers or information... But we will try hard..

And yes, I expected to get my residency in 6 months, now its been 9 months and whenever we ask about an update they come up with new missing documents, instead of informing them to us ahead of time.. It has been a huge waste of time because of lack of communication..

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:21 am

They are legally allowed to take not one day longer than 6 months.

If you want to do something about it, you can. If you are content to wait, then you can also do that.

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Post by Ksana » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:19 pm

Hi Salsita,

How is it going with you there now? - I am interested in your case because my husband to be is also Danish and we are thinking of moving to Sweden after he finds a job there. I wonder how the things really are for Nordic citizens in Sweden and their wives/partners with children outside the EU/EEA countries. If you (or anybody who knows something about it) can share any useful information, i will be much grateful. Hope you have solved your problem with the doctors and any other problems you have faced there.

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:44 pm

Directive 2004/38/EC
Article 10 - Issue of residence cards


1. The right of residence of family members of a Union citizen who are not nationals of a Member State shall be evidenced by the issuing of a document called «Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen» no later than six months from the date on which they submit the application. A certificate of application for the residence card shall be issued immediately.

2. For the residence card to be issued, Member States shall require presentation of the following documents:
(a) a valid passport;
(b) a document attesting to the existence of a family relationship or of a registered partnership;
(c) the registration certificate or, in the absence of a registration system, any other proof of residence in the host Member State of the Union citizen whom they are accompanying or joining;

(d) in cases falling under points (c) and (d) of Article 2(2), documentary evidence that the conditions laid down therein are met;
(e) in cases falling under Article 3(2)(a), a document issued by the relevant authority in the country of origin or country from which they are arriving certifying that they are dependants or members of the household of the Union citizen, or proof of the existence of serious health grounds which strictly require the personal care of the family member by the Union citizen;
(f) in cases falling under Article 3(2)(b), proof of the existence of a durable relationship with the Union citizen.
2(d), (e) and (f) are not relevant for a person married to the EU citizen.

This applies to all non-EU family members of an EU citizen (e.g. a Danish citizen).

Couple of things to point out. (1) requires it to take a maximum of six months. There is no allowance for delay. Germany used to issue the Residence Card on the day of application.

(2) is the complete list of all the documents that can be required. A non-EU passport, a marriage certificate, and the EU citizen's registration certificate in Sweden.

Important note: The Residence Card is not a document that causes you to be legally resident in Sweden. It is simply a confirmation of your already existing residence in Sweden. Put another way, you have no more rights after you get the Residence Card.
Article 24 - Equal treatment

1. Subject to such specific provisions as are expressly provided for in the Treaty and secondary law, all Union citizens residing on the basis of this Directive in the territory of the host Member State shall enjoy equal treatment with the nationals of that Member State within the scope of the Treaty. The benefit of this right shall be extended to family members who are not nationals of a Member State and who have the right of residence or permanent residence.

Salsita: I realize English is not your first language, and it is hard to push for your rights in such a situation. But you have been legally resident in Sweden from the moment you have arrived. You have exactly the same right to medical care as your husband. (You also have the right to work if you so wish, just like your husband).

As you can see above, the 6 month clock started ticking when you submitted your Residence Card application. Sweden happily allows you to submit it before you move to Sweden, but the same 6 month limit applies.

If you want help in resolving this, I am happy to suggest ways to do it. Once you talk with the right person, it should be easy and fast to resolve!
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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:51 am

I still find the title of this thread curious and sad:
For people in SWEDEN, MALMO, I am pregnant with no rights!

You presently have the right to health care!

http://www.thelocal.se/41702/20120628/ is an article about health care also being provided to illegal residents in Sweden.

You are already fully legally resident (even though you do not have a RC card), as you are the spouse of an EU citizen who is working in Sweden.

Why do you think you do not qualify?

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Post by parshi » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:13 am

http://www.swedish.org/Services/Womens- ... z2ACKhKJV5
Please visit this site... There are many Doctors specifically for your help..

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:12 pm

parshi wrote:http://www.swedish.org/Services/Womens- ... z2ACKhKJV5
Please visit this site... There are many Doctors specifically for your help..
I think the original OP was not all that comfortable searching out solutions. Hopefully it has worked out well for her.

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Post by jorgen41 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:09 am

I know this is an old thread but thought i post in it anyway.

When dealing with these questions it is important to tell if for example the husband is for example a Swedish citizen or if he is a EU citizen that have moved to Sweden becourse its a big difference..

And a non Swedish Citizen dont have the right to health care under the law BUT the hospital CAN give you healthcare if you pay for it. I have been in the exact same situation with my wife so i know exacly how it works in sweden.
And the law about healthcare you are talking about wont be effective until July 1 2013.

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:50 pm

jorgen41 wrote:I know this is an old thread but thought i post in it anyway.

When dealing with these questions it is important to tell if for example the husband is for example a Swedish citizen or if he is a EU citizen that have moved to Sweden becourse its a big difference..

And a non Swedish Citizen dont have the right to health care under the law BUT the hospital CAN give you healthcare if you pay for it. I have been in the exact same situation with my wife so i know exacly how it works in sweden.
And the law about healthcare you are talking about wont be effective until July 1 2013.
When dealing with these questions it is important to provide links to source material.

I do not believe there is a legal distinction between the treatment of Swedish citizens and those of other EU nationals. Prove me wrong!

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Post by jorgen41 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:24 pm

A legal distinction between the treatment of Swedish citizens and those of other EU nationals - I didnt say that it was. You have to read the text as a whole the difference is between a NONE EU/Swedish citizen and a EU/Swedish citizen.

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:
jorgen41 wrote:I know this is an old thread but thought i post in it anyway.

When dealing with these questions it is important to tell if for example the husband is for example a Swedish citizen or if he is a EU citizen that have moved to Sweden becourse its a big difference..

And a non Swedish Citizen dont have the right to health care under the law BUT the hospital CAN give you healthcare if you pay for it. I have been in the exact same situation with my wife so i know exacly how it works in sweden.
And the law about healthcare you are talking about wont be effective until July 1 2013.
When dealing with these questions it is important to provide links to source material.

I do not believe there is a legal distinction between the treatment of Swedish citizens and those of other EU nationals. Prove me wrong!
I dont see anywhere that she says that either he or she is a EU citizen or not. I saw one ref that her husband would be danish but i havnt seen
Salsita write anything about that.

And if it dont say that either is an EU member then i assume that they are not EU Citizens. You might see it the other way around but in Sweden when dealing with these questions we always first tell if the person is an EU member or not. The same goes for the question if the country she is from is a member of schengen. Those two are the most important to start with when you are dealing with Swedish authorities.

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:53 pm

The original OP is non EU, but is the spouse of an EU citizen.

A family member of an EU citizen must be treated exactly the same as an EU citizen. No difference.
Article 24 - Equal treatment

1. Subject to such specific provisions as are expressly provided for in the Treaty and secondary law, all Union citizens residing on the basis of this Directive in the territory of the host Member State shall enjoy equal treatment with the nationals of that Member State within the scope of the Treaty. The benefit of this right shall be extended to family members who are not nationals of a Member State and who have the right of residence or permanent residence.

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