EEA4 aplications documents required

abderrahim1302 · Post by **abderrahim1302** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:55 pm

Dear all,

First of all, thank you so much for this very useful website and for all your effort to help each other. My wife is applying for a permanent residence card in the UK as a non-EEA family member of an EEA national (EEA4). I am Belgian and I have as well a document certifying permanent residence in the Uk that I got last year. My questions are as follows:

In the form it asks for documents to prove the following:
1-That my wife and I have been living in the UK for at least 5 years:
as documents they mentioned: tenancy agreement, utility bills and bank statements. For the first two we can provide them but for the bank statement as you know it is impractical especially to gather those of 5 years. Any comment on this please?
2- That I need to prove that I have not been outside the UK for more than two consecutive years after having my permanent residence.
The issue is that the date when I got the PR is not specified in the PR document. Do you know how can I get this date and what are the document required for 2?

Thank you in advance,

All the best,

Abderrahim

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:19 pm

abderrahim1302 wrote: 2- That I need to prove that I have not been outside the UK for more than two consecutive years after having my permanent residence.
The issue is that the date when I got the PR is not specified in the PR document. Do you know how can I get this date and what are the document required for 2?

When did you get PR?

It will have come with an accompanying letter, did you keep this? The home office will have a record of when they issued it.

If it's more than two years old, they will expect evidence that you were resident in the UK since it was issued.

abderrahim1302 · Post by **abderrahim1302** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:34 pm

Last year on 10/07/2011 I completed 5 years exercising treaty right in the UK and hence I became automatically PR but there is no formal proof regarding the date. This was the basis why asked for the PR document. I still have the letter but it doesn't say when the PR was acquired.

Post by **Jambo** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:02 am

1 - You only need to provide one of the documents in the list, not all of them. So just tenancy agreements OR utility bills to cover 5 years is fine. In fact, the list is just example. If she can prove her residence by other means (such as letter from employer or P60s or letter from GP) that's also fine.

2 - The relevant date is the date of issue of your PR Confirmation, not the actual PR date. The PR Confirmation should have date of issue on the sticker. If this is less than 2 years ago, you don't need to provide evidence you didn't left the UK since.

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:29 am

abderrahim1302 wrote:Last year on 10/07/2011 I completed 5 years exercising treaty right in the UK and hence I became automatically PR but there is no formal proof regarding the date. This was the basis why asked for the PR document. I still have the letter but it doesn't say when the PR was acquired.

Is there not a date on the letter?

The home office will have a record. It is also less than two years old if I can count correctly.

abderrahim1302 · Post by **abderrahim1302** » Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:27 pm

Dear All,

Thank you so much for your help. No need for bank statement then. For the PR I still can't find any date. I will hve to look at the letter which is missing somewhere at home. May I ask you how long does it take for the application? I know it is highly variable but if you have any idea about minimum, maximum or average that would be great.

Agaim many thanks to all of you.

Best wishes,

Abderrahim

Post by **Jambo** » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:04 pm

abderrahim1302 wrote:For the PR I still can't find any date.

Have you got something similar to this (this is a PR Card for non-EEA nationals but your should look the same (with slightly different text)? It should state place and date of issue in the second field.

EEA4 application can take anything between 2-6 months. The delay is mainly due to backlog I believe. There is a dedicated thread for EEA4 timelines you can follow.

jotter · Post by **jotter** » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:08 pm

abderrahim1302 wrote:Dear All,

Thank you so much for your help. No need for bank statement then. For the PR I still can't find any date. I will hve to look at the letter which is missing somewhere at home. May I ask you how long does it take for the application? I know it is highly variable but if you have any idea about minimum, maximum or average that would be great.

Agaim many thanks to all of you.

Best wishes,

Abderrahim

Expect an EEA4 application to take a full six months. It's not unheard of for it to come in 3 months or less but that's rare. The average at the moment seems to be 5-6 months, with some applications taking even a little longer than that. The UKBA discourages chasing applications that are less than six months old.

abderrahim1302 · Post by **abderrahim1302** » Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:10 am

Hi Guys,

I just found the date of issue in the PR document as you have described. It's 21 of January 2011 which is over a year and less than 2 years.

Post by **Jambo** » Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:54 pm

Then the application is very simple:
- passports (yours + your wife). You can use yor national ID card instead of a a passport.
- your PR booklet.
- proof of 5 years of residence for your wife. This can be tenancy agreement OR utility bills OR letter from employer etc. you don't need to cover every day of the five years but to show she was a resident throught the period.

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:19 pm

Jambo wrote:Then the application is very simple:
- passports (yours + your wife). You can use yor national ID card instead of a a passport.
- your PR booklet.
- proof of 5 years of residence for your wife. This can be tenancy agreement OR utility bills OR letter from employer etc. you don't need to cover every day of the five years but to show she was a resident throught the period.

Exactly, keep it simple.

abderrahim1302 · Post by **abderrahim1302** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:27 pm

Guys,

We have been living between 05/05/2008 until 01/02/2010 in an accommodation for which the rent included the council tax and all utility bills. We then do not have these document to prove that period but we have them for other periods.

The only proof that might cover the whole period of 5 years is the letter from the GP (not arrived yet). Is it ok if we do the following:

1- Provide the GP letter as a first proof of continuous 5 years
2- Add council tax + utility bills + payslips in a way that they cover different periods summing up to 5 years as a supplementary proof.

All the best,

Abderrahim

Post by **Jambo** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:46 pm

abderrahim1302 wrote:Guys,

We have been living between 05/05/2008 until 01/02/2010 in an accommodation for which the rent included the council tax and all utility bills. We then do not have these document to prove that period but we have them for other periods.

The only proof that might cover the whole period of 5 years is the letter from the GP (not arrived yet). Is it ok if we do the following:

1- Provide the GP letter as a first proof of continuous 5 years
2- Add council tax + utility bills + payslips in a way that they cover different periods summing up to 5 years as a supplementary proof.

All the best,

Abderrahim

Yes. There is no problem to mix and match. You are not required to have one type of evidence to cover the whole 5 years.

abderrahim1302 · Post by **abderrahim1302** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:04 pm

Guys,

I just realized that the documents they are asking for is something to prove that we have been living together for 5 years. Am I wrong? The GP letter indicates only that my wife has been here for 5 years. What shall I do?

Many thanks

Abderrahim

Post by **Jambo** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:59 pm

There is no requirement to prove you are living together. Just that she has been in the country for 5 years.

abderrahim1302 · Post by **abderrahim1302** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:28 pm

Jambo,

You're really a great man !!! Many thanks for your help.
I have a last question:

I have been offered a job abroad recently (Golf region) for a period of 4 years starting from next October 2013. I am planing to go with my wife of course . The problem is that at that time (October 2013) she will (I hope

) have the permanent residence but not Brititish citizenship. Suppose by any chance I will get my British citizenship on let's say 01/02/2012 and my wife gets her PR on let's say 01/04/2012. Is there a way for here to apply for the British citizenship just after she got the PR i.e. 01/04/2012 or shall she wait one year after PR before applying?

Many thanks,

Abderrahim

Post by **Jambo** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:35 pm

abderrahim1302 wrote:Jambo,

You're really a great man !!! Many thanks for your help.
I have a last question:

I have been offered a job abroad recently (Golf region) for a period of 4 years starting from next October 2013. I am planing to go with my wife of course . The problem is that at that time (October 2013) she will (I hope ) have the permanent residence but not Brititish citizenship. Suppose by any chance I will get my British citizenship on let's say 01/02/2012 and my wife gets her PR on let's say 01/04/2012. Is there a way for here to apply for the British citizenship just after she got the PR i.e. 01/04/2012 or shall she wait one year after PR before applying?

Many thanks,

Abderrahim

If applying as a spouse of BC, there is no requirement to wait 1 year after PR and application can be made the day you have PR.

abderrahim1302 · Post by **abderrahim1302** » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:37 pm

Are you sure about this Jambo? just to confirm. If I will get the BC then my wife can apply for BC as well immediately after she will get her PR and that she doesn't need to wait for one year after her PR.

If it is the case why it is said that you have to wait for 1 year after PR even if you are married to BC? There is something I miss here

Another question is: For my wife's PR I will need to enclose in her application my PR document. Now, I wonder whether I will need this same document for my application. If it is the case then how to do.

All the best,

Abderrahim

Post by **Jambo** » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:48 pm

abderrahim1302 wrote:Are you sure about this Jambo? just to confirm. If I will get the BC then my wife can apply for BC as well immediately after she will get her PR and that she doesn't need to wait for one year after her PR.

Yes I'm sure. See Q1 & Q2 in Citizenship FAQs - Common Questions - Read before posting.

If it is the case why it is said that you have to wait for 1 year after PR even if you are married to BC? There is something I miss here

Where does it say so?

Another question is: For my wife's PR I will need to enclose in her application my PR document. Now, I wonder whether I will need this same document for my application. If it is the case then how to do.

You can apply for naturalisation using NCS which will photocopy your documents so you can keep the originals. You wife can use the originals for her PR application.

abderrahim1302 · Post by **abderrahim1302** » Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:55 pm

Jambo... Many many thanks .. you're really fantastic. I read the links you mentioned and indeed my wife meets the residential requirements for the last three years.

For the last question: The problem is that we are going first to apply for my wife's PR and my PR document should be included in that application. Afterwards, I will apply for BC because I will need sometime to read and do the life in UK test. So I do not know what to do in such case.

Again many thanks Jambo

Best wishes

Abderrahim

Post by **Jambo** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:48 am

abderrahim1302 wrote:Jambo... Many many thanks .. you're really fantastic. I read the links you mentioned and indeed my wife meets the residential requirements for the last three years.

For the last question: The problem is that we are going first to apply for my wife's PR and my PR document should be included in that application. Afterwards, I will apply for BC because I will need sometime to read and do the life in UK test. So I do not know what to do in such case.

Again many thanks Jambo

Best wishes

Abderrahim

In that case, use the evidence you used for your own PR Confirmation application (i.e. payslips, utility bills etc) to support you wife's application. You are not required to send the actual booklet.

Use your PR Confirmation booklet to support your naturalisation application.

You will also need to send your passport/ID card to support your wife's application but you can ask for it to be returned to you without affecting her application.

abderrahim1302 · Post by **abderrahim1302** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:22 pm

Hi Jambo,

Thanks for the alternative. I was also thinking to call the NCS and explain the situation. My idea is to explain the situation and show them my PR before I sent it. By doing so, they will be aware about it when I will apply through them there service. Maybe I am too optimistic but It's worth a try. For the options you mentioned do you think a letter from my employe stating that I have been working since 2005 until now is sufficient?

Again many thanks Jambo,

Best wishes

Abderrahim

Post by **Jambo** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:03 am

abderrahim1302 wrote:Hi Jambo,

Thanks for the alternative. I was also thinking to call the NCS and explain the situation. My idea is to explain the situation and show them my PR before I sent it. By doing so, they will be aware about it when I will apply through them there service. Maybe I am too optimistic but It's worth a try. For the options you mentioned do you think a letter from my employe stating that I have been working since 2005 until now is sufficient?

Again many thanks Jambo,

Best wishes

Abderrahim

You can also ask NCS if they would be happy to book an appointment for now but only post the documents later when you are eligible.

Letter from employer can serve as proof of exercising treaty rights as a worker.

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