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Very poor thinking from the IO.xxxtieee wrote:I had raised this question to my immigration officer when i got my stamp 4. His answer was that ' Visa is only a travel document checking your eligibility to travel to and enter a country legally. GNIB card, stamp 4 or not, is a residency document. This is only issued if you want to be a resident of the country. The processes for both are separate although they are connected.'
In other words, you have to compulsorily renew your residency stamp when it expires. But for visa renewal, you can wait until you require it for traveling.
The visa process (the document, the processing) is internationally standardized to an extent. GNIB process / documents are not!
I agree that it could be improved, but the current set up does make sense when you think of the way public enterprise works.
That is interesting.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:Very poor thinking from the IO.xxxtieee wrote:I had raised this question to my immigration officer when i got my stamp 4. His answer was that ' Visa is only a travel document checking your eligibility to travel to and enter a country legally. GNIB card, stamp 4 or not, is a residency document. This is only issued if you want to be a resident of the country. The processes for both are separate although they are connected.'
In other words, you have to compulsorily renew your residency stamp when it expires. But for visa renewal, you can wait until you require it for traveling.
The visa process (the document, the processing) is internationally standardized to an extent. GNIB process / documents are not!
I agree that it could be improved, but the current set up does make sense when you think of the way public enterprise works.
Stamp 4EUFam holders do not need to get a reentry visa. Why is that? Because it is such totally different document than a Stamp 4? Or because EU law requires that any holder of a Residence Card (4EUFam!) not have to get a visa!
What are you trying to say??Malika wrote:I think it all boils down to whether the spouse is Visa-required National since stamp 4 basically gives you the right to live and work in Ireland...........when going to other jurisdictions it becomes invalid.it's just a domestic card.
Precisely the point. Irish government considers Residency process and Visa process as two separate processes, except for EUFam card where the process of acquiring that is agreed by the member states.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:A holder of an Residence Card does not need a visa to travel from anywhere in the world to any EU member state (except the UK, but that is in fight).
The reason Stamp 4 holders require a visa, is because the Irish govt says they do. Simple as that. It is simply policy, seemingly designed to deter travel.
this is answering a questions saying,"it is what it is..."Malika wrote: Precisely the point. Irish government considers Residency process and Visa process as two separate processes, except for EUFam card where the process of acquiring that is agreed by the member states.
acme4242 wrote:this is answering a questions saying,"it is what it is..."Malika wrote: Precisely the point. Irish government considers Residency process and Visa process as two separate processes, except for EUFam card where the process of acquiring that is agreed by the member states.
it does not answer the question why ?
If you already have residency stamp to live in a country, why the extra stamp to visit the country, its nonsense.
Then ask, why other member states give their own citizens family EUfam cards, for equality purposes, but the Irish do not.
I know of no other country that requires residents to get a re-entry visa. The UK does not, Germany does not, the US does not, Canada does not.xxxtieee wrote:At the moment, Ireland do require a re-entry visa (so does UK and most European or other countries for similar cases). EUFam can be considered an exception to the process.
I was indicating to the OP that the stamp 4 was issued under Irish Law......yes, I am stating "it is what is" because frankly, I am not in a position to question the Status Quo re Irish Law, I do not legislate.acme4242 wrote:this is answering a questions saying,"it is what it is..."Malika wrote: Precisely the point. Irish government considers Residency process and Visa process as two separate processes, except for EUFam card where the process of acquiring that is agreed by the member states.
it does not answer the question why ?
If you already have residency stamp to live in a country, why the extra stamp to visit the country, its nonsense.
Then ask, why other member states give their own citizens family EUfam cards, for equality purposes, but the Irish do not.
no problem, but getting back to the title of the threadMalika wrote:
I was indicating to the OP that the stamp 4 was issued under Irish Law......yes, I am stating "it is what is" because frankly, I am not in a position to question the Status Quo re Irish Law, I do not legislate.
Peace!
What does this actually mean? Same building as what? Certainly if I need a reentry visa a year after receiving my residence permit, it is NOT in the same building as I am in. I need to take time of work, may need to travel several hundred miles, etc...jeupsy wrote:Quite frankly, given that the re-entry visa can easily be obtained in the same builinding I don't think it is that bad
Do I get it wrong that at the immigration office they have two queues: one for GNIB cards and one for visas? And that when you go there to renew the GNIB card you can then go to straight to the visa counter and they will issue the non EU parnter with a multi-entry visa valid for the same duration as the Stamp 4?Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:What does this actually mean? Same building as what? Certainly if I need a reentry visa a year after receiving my residence permit, it is NOT in the same building as I am in. I need to take time of work, may need to travel several hundred miles, etc...
Maybe the process doesn't really work or is too long - I have no idea, but here they say they accept re-entry visa applications by post: http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Re-entry%20visasBen wrote:Not everyone lives in Dublin.jeupsy wrote:Quite frankly, given that the re-entry visa can easily be obtained in the same builinding I don't think it is that bad