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British citizen can use treaty rights in uk?

Post by Marshad » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:24 pm

I am a British citizen and I've worked in Belgium for 8months I was living in Belgium and working alone my wife n children's are British citizen living in london , I want to sponsor my 2 brothers on eea2 on treaty rites rules can I do it? If I can do it then what are the requirements because he is here on a student visa living with me here more than 3months I need advice please and what documents I need to submit for his application ? Now I m in uk and working as a self employed please reply ASAP
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Re: British citizen can use treaty rights in uk?

Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:11 pm

Marshad wrote:I am a British citizen and I've worked in Belgium for 8months I was living in Belgium and working alone my wife n children's are British citizen living in london , I want to sponsor my 2 brothers on eea2 on treaty rites rules can I do it? If I can do it then what are the requirements because he is here on a student visa living with me here more than 3months I need advice please and what documents I need to submit for his application ? Now I m in uk and working as a self employed please reply ASAP
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Nice question.

EU law covers a national's return to the home member state after they have worked in a host member state because of the Surinder Singh case
http://eumovement.wordpress.com/2007/04 ... ional-law/

The case was about a married couple. It clearly also applies to other direct family members: http://eumovement.wordpress.com/2008/04 ... ly-member/

I expect you think your brother might be an OFM: http://eumovement.wordpress.com/2008/04 ... ficiaries/

UKBA's original stance is that OFMs do not get covered by Surinder Singh returns.

But slowly that is breaking down, at least partially. One of the board's participants was trying to get a EEA FP for his long term partner, and that was originally refused but later eventually issued.

I suspect it will involve a fight, but depending on the circumstances. You were living with him and he was fully dependent on you?

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Post by Obie » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:33 pm

I fully agree
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Post by Marshad » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:44 pm

[quote="Obie"]I fully agree[/quote

Hi
Sorry I don't understand I am new on board I didn't gat I am very confused ?

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Post by Marshad » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:45 pm

Marshad wrote:
Obie wrote:I fully agree[/quote

Hi
Sorry I don't understand I am new on board I didn't gat I am very confused ?

I am a British citizen and I've worked in Belgium for 8months I was living in Belgium and working alone my wife n children's are British citizen living in london , I want to sponsor my 2 brothers on eea2 on treaty rites rules can I do it? If I can do it then what are the requirements because he is here on a student visa living with me here more than 3months I need advice please and what documents I need to submit for his application ? Now I m in uk and working as a self employed please reply ASAP
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Post by Greenie » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:28 pm

Do you mean he was living with you on a student visa in Belgium or in the UK?

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Post by Marshad » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:33 am

Greenie wrote:Do you mean he was living with you on a student visa in Belgium or in the UK?
His living with me in uk and I am fully support him is well don't know what to do ?

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:39 pm

On what basis is he presently in the UK? On a student visa?

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Post by Greenie » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:23 pm

Marshad wrote:
Greenie wrote:Do you mean he was living with you on a student visa in Belgium or in the UK?
His living with me in uk and I am fully support him is well don't know what to do ?
so he didn't live with you in Belgium and he is currently in the UK on a student visa?

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Post by Marshad » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:59 pm

Greenie wrote:
Marshad wrote:
Greenie wrote:Do you mean he was living with you on a student visa in Belgium or in the UK?
His living with me in uk and I am fully support him is well don't know what to do ?
so he didn't live with you in Belgium and he is currently in the UK on a student visa?
Yes he in uk on student visa

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Post by Obie » Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:12 pm

Well he really should have resided with you in Beligium for him to be covered by the directive in the UK, although recent case law cast doubt on whether the right under the directive should only be activated if the non-EEA was residing with the UK national in another member state.
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Post by Marshad » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:50 pm

Obie wrote:Well he really should have resided with you in Beligium for him to be covered by the directive in the UK, although recent case law cast doubt on whether the right under the directive should only be activated if the non-EEA was residing with the UK national in another member state.

No hi just live with me in uk not living with me in belguim so can't make application ?

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Post by Marshad » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:44 pm

Marshad wrote:
Obie wrote:Well he really should have resided with you in Beligium for him to be covered by the directive in the UK, although recent case law cast doubt on whether the right under the directive should only be activated if the non-EEA was residing with the UK national in another member state.

No hi just live with me in uk not living with me in belguim so can't make application ?












The main amendments to the EEA Regulations 2006 are:

The requirement in Regulation 8.2.a that an Extended Family Member needs to have resided in the same country as their sponsoring EEA national to gain entry to the UK has been deleted. As a result, Extended Family Members no longer need to have lived in the same country as their sponsoring EEA national to gain entry to the UK. This amendment is based on the ECJ ruling in the case of Rahman (C83/11). You can read ECJ ruling C83/11 here.
Primary and sole carers of British citizens now have rights to enter and reside in the UK. This amendment is based on the ECJ ruling in the case of Ruiz Zambrano (C34/09). In summary, in the Zambrano case, the ECJ ruled that Article 20 TFEU (=The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union) is to be interpreted as meaning that it precludes a Member State from refusing a third country national upon whom his minor children, who are European Union citizens, are dependent, a right of residence in the Member State of residence and nationality of those children, and from refusing to grant a work permit to that third country national, in so far as such decisions deprive those children of the genuine enjoyment of the substance of the rights attaching to the status of European Union citizen. A practical example would be the parents of children who would otherwise be displaced and lose out on their education, now qualify for leave to remain. You can read the full ECJ ruling on Zambrano here.
Changes to the definition of ‘primary carer’ in relation to the derivative rights of residence given by the Ruiz Zambrano case. This means that whilst carers can stay in the UK with their dependants they cannot get permanent residence or sponsor family members. They are present in the the UK to look after their dependants only.
Partners that are in a durable relationship (=a relationship that is akin to marriage, which has existed for a minimum period of two years) with an EEA National only get the full right of appeal against an EEA refusal if they have submitted sufficient evidence of their relationship with the EEA national with their application.
Allowing the Secretary of State to accept alternative forms of identification where a person is prevented from providing this evidence due to circumstances beyond their control.

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Post by Obie » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:28 pm

Well that is a bit of a tricky one. I will try and explain it, but i must warn you there may be several different opinion to mine.

A British national, save for in certain circumstances, has no right under the directive or treaty in their home country. In 1992 the ECJ ruled in the case of Surinder Singh, that if a british national or other national went to another memberstate to exercise treaty rights, on their return, they should receive similar treatment to that which they will enjoy if they went to another memberstate. Mr Singh returned with his UK wife from Germany, where they had worked for couple of years. The UK them promulgated regulation 9 to give effect to this judgement. Regulation 9 make provision for family member within the meaning of regulation 7, it does not make provision for Extended family member under regulation 8. However this is clearly wrong, as the UK is essentially trying to create a two tier rights under the directive, on grounds of nationality, which is not permissable under community law, therefore it cannot stand judicial scrutiny. However for your brother to qualify, he needs to show a bit more than other EU national who are enterting the UK for the first time to exercise treaty rights with their extended family, who are the people that changes was geared towards. This changes stems from the CJEU judgement in Rahman. It did not address the scenerio of your case. For your brother to qualify, i suspect he will need to show he lived with your in the country he was exercising treaty rights in, in my view.
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Post by Greenie » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:34 pm

I agree with Obie, if he didn't live with you in Belgium then I can't see how he qualifies for a residence card in the UK.

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