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NoHumanity wrote:Does the Home Office require bio-metrics information (such as fingerprints) for eea residence card of EU dependents aswell? Not asking about permanent residence card. Thanks.
PBS applications can also be made by post but then you are required to give biometrics in the post office....fysicus wrote:All EEA applications have to be made by post; it is not even possible to apply in person (except for the rather useless option of in person applications for EEA1 at Croydon).
Obviously you can't send biometric information by post, unless they secretly try to take fingerprints from the application form itself...
I am surprised UKBA has not done this for RCs and PRCsJambo wrote:This doesn't apply to applications under EEA regulations.
Except that they can require it from EEA FP applicants.fysicus wrote:As long as there are no requirements for British nationals to have biometric identification, it will illegal to impose it on EU nationals and their family members.
fysicus wrote:As long as there are no requirements for British nationals to have biometric identification, it will illegal to impose it on EU nationals and their family members.
There may also be a cost element involved, as (for the same reason) they cannot charge anything for EEA applications.
It is a very good question.frei wrote:Here in Germany I had to supply my finger prints to get my residence card. Does that mean the German immigration had done something illegal ? I would think not as this process is widely performed in almost all the EU states now, could they almost be wrong as well?
Last time I renewed my Italian passport, they did get my index finger prints. My understanding is that this is a requirement for every passport applicant (over 12 y.o.) who is applying after the 28th June 2010.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:It is a very good question.frei wrote:Here in Germany I had to supply my finger prints to get my residence card. Does that mean the German immigration had done something illegal ? I would think not as this process is widely performed in almost all the EU states now, could they almost be wrong as well?
I am pretty sure the finger prints are optional for the German passport. They are also only stored in the passport itself, and not in a database.aledeniz wrote:Last time I renewed my Italian passport, they did get my index finger prints. My understanding is that this is a requirement for every passport applicant (over 12 y.o.) who is applying after the 28th June 2010.
I understand Germany introduced this requirement the 1st November 2007, France the 16th June 2009, Spain in October 2009, and so on.
I have read in some countries these were initially optional, but then were made mandatory. I wouldn't put my hand over the fire about it, but I understand that's the case of Germany, whose only passports issued to adults without finger prints are the temporary ones.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote: I am pretty sure the finger prints are optional for the German passport. They are also only stored in the passport itself, and not in a database.
You seem to be unusually ill-informed in this discussion, Directive.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:I am pretty sure the finger prints are optional for the German passport. They are also only stored in the passport itself, and not in a database.aledeniz wrote:Last time I renewed my Italian passport, they did get my index finger prints. My understanding is that this is a requirement for every passport applicant (over 12 y.o.) who is applying after the 28th June 2010.
I understand Germany introduced this requirement the 1st November 2007, France the 16th June 2009, Spain in October 2009, and so on.
You are right but this has nothing to do with EEA applications though, Passport applications are not under the jurisdiction of EU laws- they are national issues.fysicus wrote:You seem to be unusually ill-informed in this discussion, Directive.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:I am pretty sure the finger prints are optional for the German passport. They are also only stored in the passport itself, and not in a database.aledeniz wrote:Last time I renewed my Italian passport, they did get my index finger prints. My understanding is that this is a requirement for every passport applicant (over 12 y.o.) who is applying after the 28th June 2010.
I understand Germany introduced this requirement the 1st November 2007, France the 16th June 2009, Spain in October 2009, and so on.
Fingerprints in all Schengen-passports are mandatory for quite a few years already.
There is only in some countries still discussion on whether they can be stored in a central database as well, not only on the chip in the passport.
Simple answer would be YES, there was a document previously made available on a thread on this website, where an applicant had sought the reasoning of the EU commission on Ireland taking finger prints of applicant applying for entry visa under EU law.EUspouse82 wrote:You are right but this has nothing to do with EEA applications though, Passport applications are not under the jurisdiction of EU laws- they are national issues.fysicus wrote:You seem to be unusually ill-informed in this discussion, Directive.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:I am pretty sure the finger prints are optional for the German passport. They are also only stored in the passport itself, and not in a database.aledeniz wrote:Last time I renewed my Italian passport, they did get my index finger prints. My understanding is that this is a requirement for every passport applicant (over 12 y.o.) who is applying after the 28th June 2010.
I understand Germany introduced this requirement the 1st November 2007, France the 16th June 2009, Spain in October 2009, and so on.
Fingerprints in all Schengen-passports are mandatory for quite a few years already.
There is only in some countries still discussion on whether they can be stored in a central database as well, not only on the chip in the passport.
The question here is does a member country have the legal right to biometric information from EU nationals and their family members if they are making EU treaty right specific applications? If they are not mandated to take finger prints from EU citizens for these applications, then I suppose it would be unlawful to demand that their family members take one because it ridicules the right they have inherited as family members.
I assume this is a compliment! And thank you!fysicus wrote:You seem to be unusually ill-informed in this discussion, Directive.
Just again to clarify a EU citizen does not need to make any significant EU treaty rights application nowadays, just a registration so the question of collecting a finger prints from an EU citizen would never arise in the first place, it is the family members only who will need the confirmation of rights and might need to supply this informationEUspouse82 wrote:.
You are right but this has nothing to do with EEA applications though, Passport applications are not under the jurisdiction of EU laws- they are national issues.
The question here is does a member country have the legal right to biometric information from EU nationals and their family members if they are making EU treaty right specific applications? If they are not mandated to take finger prints from EU citizens for these applications, then I suppose it would be unlawful to demand that their family members take one because it ridicules the right they have inherited as family members.